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04 May 2012, 5:52 pm

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Now I am curious about what these terrible long term effects of cannabis are....I mean i know some risks associated with smoking cannabis but that's the smoking doing the harm not the cannabis. Other then that they have not found it damages the brain or body.


I have very bad psychotic episodes when I smoke. Getting stoned is like a form of torture to me. I think if I did it even semi-regularly, I'd certainly end up being sectioned.

I have depression with psychotic features, anyway, currently in remission, thank non-existent god. Being stoned is a whole other level of depressed and psychotic compared to my absolute worst. If my absolute natural worst was -10, being stoned is -100. It's like I'm psychologically allergic to THC. Like some people are allergic to peanuts, but that's not enough reason to ban them.

I support cannabis legalisation even though I hate the stuff.


Oh I wasn't implying it has no downsides...I mean there are some people who react badly to it, I was more talking as a general rule it does not do a lot of damage. But in some people it can have negative psychological effects, then again in some people prozac can have more negative than positive effects I'm one of them.

But basically physical danger from marijuana is from smoking it, and according to rather new study..I might be able to dig up the link to from that other thread it doesn't even contribute to lung cancer. But yeah its nearly impossible to suffer a fatal overdose of marijuana mostly because a human cannot smoke or eat enough in one sitting to die as chances are they would vomit or pass long before they had that much.


Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:

1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.

2. Edibles can take as much as thirty minutes to an hour to start affecting people, so I think it is very possible to overdose using edibles. Sure, people have said that they tried to overdose using edibles, in some programs on TV a while ago, if I remember right. But I wasn't impressed by their assumption that you can't overdose, because they didn't eat all that much. Not to mention that they don't process their edibles very well. Most people don't, and especially dispensory workers. Normal people mostly just take some shake and make butter with it on the stove, cooking it for probably less than three hours. It's really not all that potent. Maybe to people who don't use cannabis very much, or aren't used to high THC content, but certainly not to someone who has been using cannabis for a long time.

The normal smoker, who didn't buy it off of someone who did a crap job of making edibles (like I just described), and is actually making it for him or her self, will let the butter simmer sometimes even for most of the day before using it, and if he/she can afford it, will use bud, not shake.


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04 May 2012, 6:01 pm

Lukecash12 wrote:
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Now I am curious about what these terrible long term effects of cannabis are....I mean i know some risks associated with smoking cannabis but that's the smoking doing the harm not the cannabis. Other then that they have not found it damages the brain or body.


I have very bad psychotic episodes when I smoke. Getting stoned is like a form of torture to me. I think if I did it even semi-regularly, I'd certainly end up being sectioned.

I have depression with psychotic features, anyway, currently in remission, thank non-existent god. Being stoned is a whole other level of depressed and psychotic compared to my absolute worst. If my absolute natural worst was -10, being stoned is -100. It's like I'm psychologically allergic to THC. Like some people are allergic to peanuts, but that's not enough reason to ban them.

I support cannabis legalisation even though I hate the stuff.


Oh I wasn't implying it has no downsides...I mean there are some people who react badly to it, I was more talking as a general rule it does not do a lot of damage. But in some people it can have negative psychological effects, then again in some people prozac can have more negative than positive effects I'm one of them.

But basically physical danger from marijuana is from smoking it, and according to rather new study..I might be able to dig up the link to from that other thread it doesn't even contribute to lung cancer. But yeah its nearly impossible to suffer a fatal overdose of marijuana mostly because a human cannot smoke or eat enough in one sitting to die as chances are they would vomit or pass long before they had that much.


Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:

1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.

2. Edibles can take as much as thirty minutes to an hour to start affecting people, so I think it is very possible to overdose using edibles. Sure, people have said that they tried to overdose using edibles, in some programs on TV a while ago, if I remember right. But I wasn't impressed by their assumption that you can't overdose, because they didn't eat all that much. Not to mention that they don't process their edibles very well. Most people don't, and especially dispensory workers. Normal people mostly just take some shake and make butter with it on the stove, cooking it for probably less than three hours. It's really not all that potent. Maybe to people who don't use cannabis very much, or aren't used to high THC content, but certainly not to someone who has been using cannabis for a long time.

The normal smoker, who didn't buy it off of someone who did a crap job of making edibles (like I just described), and is actually making it for him or her self, will let the butter simmer sometimes even for most of the day before using it, and if he/she can afford it, will use bud, not shake.


1. Nope. You'll pass out first.

2. Nope. Your stomach will explode first.


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04 May 2012, 6:04 pm

Lukecash12 wrote:
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Now I am curious about what these terrible long term effects of cannabis are....I mean i know some risks associated with smoking cannabis but that's the smoking doing the harm not the cannabis. Other then that they have not found it damages the brain or body.


I have very bad psychotic episodes when I smoke. Getting stoned is like a form of torture to me. I think if I did it even semi-regularly, I'd certainly end up being sectioned.

I have depression with psychotic features, anyway, currently in remission, thank non-existent god. Being stoned is a whole other level of depressed and psychotic compared to my absolute worst. If my absolute natural worst was -10, being stoned is -100. It's like I'm psychologically allergic to THC. Like some people are allergic to peanuts, but that's not enough reason to ban them.

I support cannabis legalisation even though I hate the stuff.


Oh I wasn't implying it has no downsides...I mean there are some people who react badly to it, I was more talking as a general rule it does not do a lot of damage. But in some people it can have negative psychological effects, then again in some people prozac can have more negative than positive effects I'm one of them.

But basically physical danger from marijuana is from smoking it, and according to rather new study..I might be able to dig up the link to from that other thread it doesn't even contribute to lung cancer. But yeah its nearly impossible to suffer a fatal overdose of marijuana mostly because a human cannot smoke or eat enough in one sitting to die as chances are they would vomit or pass long before they had that much.


Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:

1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.

Well good hash is typically much more potent then good bud, so I'd say hash is probably a bit more dangerous, so one should certianly excercise caution though puking and passing out would still occur before they smoked enough for a deadly overdose. But I've never heard of hash that is 100% THC.

2. Edibles can take as much as thirty minutes to an hour to start affecting people, so I think it is very possible to overdose using edibles. Sure, people have said that they tried to overdose using edibles, in some programs on TV a while ago, if I remember right. But I wasn't impressed by their assumption that you can't overdose, because they didn't eat all that much. Not to mention that they don't process their edibles very well. Most people don't, and especially dispensory workers. Normal people mostly just take some shake and make butter with it on the stove, cooking it for probably less than three hours. It's really not all that potent. Maybe to people who don't use cannabis very much, or aren't used to high THC content, but certainly not to someone who has been using cannabis for a long time.

Well yeah that is why it's recommended people start with a small chunk of edible wait that thirty minutes and eat more if they haven't gotten the desired effects. Also even if one did overdose on edibles chances are they would puke, once they had digested too much THC, so a deadly overdose is still unlikely

The normal smoker, who didn't buy it off of someone who did a crap job of making edibles (like I just described), will let the butter simmer for most of the day before using it, and if he/she can afford it, will use bud, not shake.


that makes sense.


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04 May 2012, 7:02 pm

Lukecash12 wrote:
Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:

1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.


No natural cannabis product is 100% THC. Even hash oil, which is almost pure resin, only contains somewhere between 5-15% THC and about the same amount of cannabidiol, depending on the strain. Hashish contains plant matter in addition to hash oil.

The most common type is pressed hashish, in which hash oil is mixed with ground leaves and trim to create a more solid and less sticky substance. The THC content of pressed hash is often lower than that of marijuana, but it burns better than sticky, oily hashish such as Black Afghan. But the latter also contains trichomes and other plant matter (if it didn't, they would have to sell it in bottles), and I doubt that even the oiliest, blackest hash has more than 10% THC. Besides, most people mix the stickier hash types with tobacco because they don't burn well otherwise, and the resulting mixture is not really more potent than good weed.

Synthetic THC products such as Marinol are another matter of course. If it can cause unconsciousness, it could be possible to overdose on this concoction. But I doubt that anyone could overdose on hashish.



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04 May 2012, 7:46 pm

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Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:

1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.


No natural cannabis product is 100% THC. Even hash oil, which is almost pure resin, only contains somewhere between 5-15% THC and about the same amount of cannabidiol, depending on the strain. Hashish contains plant matter in addition to hash oil.

The most common type is pressed hashish, in which hash oil is mixed with ground leaves and trim to create a more solid and less sticky substance. The THC content of pressed hash is often lower than that of marijuana, but it burns better than sticky, oily hashish such as Black Afghan. But the latter also contains trichomes and other plant matter (if it didn't, they would have to sell it in bottles), and I doubt that even the oiliest, blackest hash has more than 10% THC. Besides, most people mix the stickier hash types with tobacco because they don't burn well otherwise, and the resulting mixture is not really more potent than good weed.

Synthetic THC products such as Marinol are another matter of course. If it can cause unconsciousness, it could be possible to overdose on this concoction. But I doubt that anyone could overdose on hashish.


In Humboldt County you can easily double those numbers. 30% THC content for hash is common. There are even labs here that will analyze it for you.

http://www.sclabs.com/

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04 May 2012, 9:26 pm

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Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:

1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.


No natural cannabis product is 100% THC. Even hash oil, which is almost pure resin, only contains somewhere between 5-15% THC and about the same amount of cannabidiol, depending on the strain. Hashish contains plant matter in addition to hash oil.

The most common type is pressed hashish, in which hash oil is mixed with ground leaves and trim to create a more solid and less sticky substance. The THC content of pressed hash is often lower than that of marijuana, but it burns better than sticky, oily hashish such as Black Afghan. But the latter also contains trichomes and other plant matter (if it didn't, they would have to sell it in bottles), and I doubt that even the oiliest, blackest hash has more than 10% THC. Besides, most people mix the stickier hash types with tobacco because they don't burn well otherwise, and the resulting mixture is not really more potent than good weed.

Synthetic THC products such as Marinol are another matter of course. If it can cause unconsciousness, it could be possible to overdose on this concoction. But I doubt that anyone could overdose on hashish.


In Humboldt County you can easily double those numbers. 30% THC content for hash is common. There are even labs here that will analyze it for you.

http://www.sclabs.com/

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usually that testing is done not specifically for THC but for active cannabinoids,


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04 May 2012, 9:50 pm

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Hmmm.... As an interesting side-note, I could imagine of some ways that people could overdose from cannabis:

1. Using too much hash (hash is cannabis that has been picked apart, broken down, and processed into basically 100% THC content). I've smoked a bowl of pure hash, and it wasn't much harder on my lungs than a bowl packed with plain bud. So, it seems to me that someone could overdose using hash, before they green out or fall asleep.


No natural cannabis product is 100% THC. Even hash oil, which is almost pure resin, only contains somewhere between 5-15% THC and about the same amount of cannabidiol, depending on the strain. Hashish contains plant matter in addition to hash oil.

The most common type is pressed hashish, in which hash oil is mixed with ground leaves and trim to create a more solid and less sticky substance. The THC content of pressed hash is often lower than that of marijuana, but it burns better than sticky, oily hashish such as Black Afghan. But the latter also contains trichomes and other plant matter (if it didn't, they would have to sell it in bottles), and I doubt that even the oiliest, blackest hash has more than 10% THC. Besides, most people mix the stickier hash types with tobacco because they don't burn well otherwise, and the resulting mixture is not really more potent than good weed.

Synthetic THC products such as Marinol are another matter of course. If it can cause unconsciousness, it could be possible to overdose on this concoction. But I doubt that anyone could overdose on hashish.


In Humboldt County you can easily double those numbers. 30% THC content for hash is common. There are even labs here that will analyze it for you.

http://www.sclabs.com/

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Wow, that's a lot more than I thought 8O I didn't know that hash oil can be more potent than cannabis resin. Wikipedia says about the oil "resin can contain up to 20% THC content, ... cannabis oil may contain more than 60% THC content." I guess that explains the 30% in hashish.

Strangely, I've always found the weed that I bought on my rare trips to Holland stronger than the cheap pressed hash that I used to buy in Germany. But who knows what that hash was made of.



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04 May 2012, 10:56 pm

One thing to keep in mind is that marijuana consumption can be extremely dangerous for people with certain heart conditions (many are undiagnosed). People with long QT or ventricular tachyarrhythmias have died in the process of smoking weed.



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04 May 2012, 11:19 pm

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One thing to keep in mind is that marijuana consumption can be extremely dangerous for people with certain heart conditions (many are undiagnosed). People with long QT or ventricular tachyarrhythmias have died in the process of smoking weed.


Well do they die from the chemicals in marijuana or inhaling marijuana smoke? because there is a difference.


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04 May 2012, 11:22 pm

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One thing to keep in mind is that marijuana consumption can be extremely dangerous for people with certain heart conditions (many are undiagnosed). People with long QT or ventricular tachyarrhythmias have died in the process of smoking weed.


And people die from bee stings, peanuts and skydiving.



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05 May 2012, 12:07 am

mcg wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that marijuana consumption can be extremely dangerous for people with certain heart conditions (many are undiagnosed). People with long QT or ventricular tachyarrhythmias have died in the process of smoking weed.


I think people with a severe heart arrhythmia are well advised to stay clear of all drugs and many drinks and food items. Smoking, no matter if tobacco or pot, elevates both blood pressure and heart rate. So do coffee, tea, energy drinks, and caffeinated soft drinks. Alcohol can also trigger arrhythmias. The same goes for high blood sugar, obesity and stress. Even exercise can be deadly in this case, both too little and too much exercise.



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05 May 2012, 4:57 am

mcg wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that marijuana consumption can be extremely dangerous for people with certain heart conditions (many are undiagnosed). People with long QT or ventricular tachyarrhythmias have died in the process of smoking weed.


Same goes for menthol throat sweets (e.g. Halls Mentho-lyptus). If the person with the at-risk heart must use cannabis then they are well advised to start with a small dose and build up a tolerance so that their heart doesn't speed up too much. CBD helps.


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05 May 2012, 9:18 am

Reasons why Cannabis should still be illegal:

1. Society perpetually feels the need to "draw the line" somewhere, and to punish individuals who "cross the line", so that Society can assert its dominance over the individual. If Cannabis were to become illegal, then Society would feel compelled to "draw the line" elsewhere. And, it might end up being in an area that would affect me personally.

2. Prisons are profitable. Just ask anyone in a town where a state or federal prison is located.

3. Making it legal would reduce profits for the present distributors.

4. It would end up being taxed.

5. Second Amendment Rites.

6. It keeps the police and courts occupied.

7. Excessive permissiveness would lead us down the path towards European-style civil and individual liberties, and towards European-style Socialism. Legalizing marijuana would severely jeopardize our standing as the most morally upright nation on the planet.



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05 May 2012, 10:44 am

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Reasons why Cannabis should still be illegal:

1. Society perpetually feels the need to "draw the line" somewhere, and to punish individuals who "cross the line", so that Society can assert its dominance over the individual. If Cannabis were to become illegal, then Society would feel compelled to "draw the line" elsewhere. And, it might end up being in an area that would affect me personally.

2. Prisons are profitable. Just ask anyone in a town where a state or federal prison is located.

3. Making it legal would reduce profits for the present distributors.

4. It would end up being taxed.

5. Second Amendment Rites.

6. It keeps the police and courts occupied.

7. Excessive permissiveness would lead us down the path towards European-style civil and individual liberties, and towards European-style Socialism. Legalizing marijuana would severely jeopardize our standing as the most morally upright nation on the planet.


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05 May 2012, 11:08 am

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Reasons why Cannabis should still be illegal:

3. Making it legal would reduce profits for the present distributors.



Or leave them no choice but to peddle substances more harmful than cannabis. Please, think of the children.


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ArrantPariah wrote:
Reasons why Cannabis should still be illegal:

3. Making it legal would reduce profits for the present distributors.



Or leave them no choice but to peddle substances more harmful than cannabis. Please, think of the children.

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