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16 May 2012, 8:20 pm

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Not sure if they did so in America, but they did so here, which is why I compared it to Wilders immediately condemning Breivik.


I was aware that Muslims in the Middle East - with the surprising exception of Iran - had danced in the streets. But Muslims Americans are just that - Americans. And unfortunately, some other Americans chose to take their rage out on them, regardless.

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16 May 2012, 10:58 pm

Oh, and btw I guess I should of put anarcho-capitalist and panarchism instead of rothbardianism. I basically think that instead of having one central state there should be thousands of micro nations that fit a particular persons preferences. So instead of us squabbling about this or that issue and taking away each others liberties, we could built the better system that fit our particular lifestyle. So pretty much free market anarchism, but allow people to choose what they want to live under.



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17 May 2012, 11:08 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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And as I recall, there were those Muslim American leaders who did in fact speak out after 9/11, and since.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


All thirteen of them.

If Americans who are Muslim expect to be accepted in this society they better make their disavowal of violent acts plain and public.

ruveyn


If Norwegian terrorists were to attack us, do you expect all Norwegian Americans to publicly denounce their acts?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Ask me that after Norwegian Terrorists attack America. In the mean time I will not hold my breath.

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17 May 2012, 11:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
HisDivineMajesty wrote:
Not sure if they did so in America, but they did so here, which is why I compared it to Wilders immediately condemning Breivik.


I was aware that Muslims in the Middle East - with the surprising exception of Iran - had danced in the streets. But Muslims Americans are just that - Americans. And unfortunately, some other Americans chose to take their rage out on them, regardless.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Like this "just American"?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38133'

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17 May 2012, 1:34 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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HisDivineMajesty wrote:
Not sure if they did so in America, but they did so here, which is why I compared it to Wilders immediately condemning Breivik.


I was aware that Muslims in the Middle East - with the surprising exception of Iran - had danced in the streets. But Muslims Americans are just that - Americans. And unfortunately, some other Americans chose to take their rage out on them, regardless.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Like this "just American"?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38133'

ruveyn


At least he didn't dance in the streets on 9/11. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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17 May 2012, 1:35 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And as I recall, there were those Muslim American leaders who did in fact speak out after 9/11, and since.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


All thirteen of them.

If Americans who are Muslim expect to be accepted in this society they better make their disavowal of violent acts plain and public.

ruveyn


If Norwegian terrorists were to attack us, do you expect all Norwegian Americans to publicly denounce their acts?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Ask me that after Norwegian Terrorists attack America. In the mean time I will not hold my breath.

ruveyn


I was speaking hypothetically.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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17 May 2012, 4:20 pm

Last time I checked people in America have free speech and freedom of religion. You certainly don't have to like what they do or say but you can't propose to systematically get rid of it. The best you can do is reach out between groups to try to promote understanding. That's not to say that it will be easy, but it is necessary. The toxic attitudes that I see here will only make things worse.



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18 May 2012, 2:48 am

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Last time I checked people in America have free speech and freedom of religion. You certainly don't have to like what they do or say but you can't propose to systematically get rid of it. The best you can do is reach out between groups to try to promote understanding. That's not to say that it will be easy, but it is necessary. The toxic attitudes that I see here will only make things worse.

it's hard to avoid the venom when one is in a bottle teeming with scorpions who love to sting people. america is that bottle where the scorpions have usurped all the air of goodwill in the place. :hmph:



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18 May 2012, 10:20 am

auntblabby wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Last time I checked people in America have free speech and freedom of religion. You certainly don't have to like what they do or say but you can't propose to systematically get rid of it. The best you can do is reach out between groups to try to promote understanding. That's not to say that it will be easy, but it is necessary. The toxic attitudes that I see here will only make things worse.

it's hard to avoid the venom when one is in a bottle teeming with scorpions who love to sting people. america is that bottle where the scorpions have usurped all the air of goodwill in the place. :hmph:


Time for the good guys to get off their arses and take it back.

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18 May 2012, 1:47 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
AstroGeek wrote:
Last time I checked people in America have free speech and freedom of religion. You certainly don't have to like what they do or say but you can't propose to systematically get rid of it. The best you can do is reach out between groups to try to promote understanding. That's not to say that it will be easy, but it is necessary. The toxic attitudes that I see here will only make things worse.

it's hard to avoid the venom when one is in a bottle teeming with scorpions who love to sting people. america is that bottle where the scorpions have usurped all the air of goodwill in the place. :hmph:


Time for the good guys to get off their arses and take it back.

ruveyn

Wouldn't the constitution pose some problems for you then? It also seems rather bizarre that Libertarians hold these opinions. You'd be taking away freedom of religion. And "for the greater good" is not normally an argument which a libertarian would deem acceptable.



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18 May 2012, 2:30 pm

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Wouldn't the constitution pose some problems for you then? It also seems rather bizarre that Libertarians hold these opinions. You'd be taking away freedom of religion. And "for the greater good" is not normally an argument which a libertarian would deem acceptable.


Who is threatening First Amendment restrictions and how?

The government is not allowed to establish and religion or prohibit the free exercise thereof.

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18 May 2012, 5:28 pm

1. Strong political independent.
2. Irish republicanism.
3. National Democratic Party of Germany.
4. Right wing on law and authority
5. Left wing on social issues.



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18 May 2012, 5:31 pm

An Irish republican neo-Nazi - you're a walking stereotype of the most backward, fascistic type of Irish republican to many unionists. Excellent stuff.



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18 May 2012, 5:36 pm

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An Irish republican neo-Nazi - you're a walking stereotype of the most backward, fascistic type of Irish republican to many unionists. Excellent stuff.


I'm German Irish :wink: 800 years of irish oppression under English rule and two hundred years of Irish oppression in America can make you bitter.

As for the neo-Nazi statement think what you like sweet heart I bloody don't give a horses arse.



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18 May 2012, 5:39 pm

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800 years of irish oppression under English rule


Does that kind of nonsense help the Irish people - those who class themselves as British and those who don't - in any way?

Should I be bitter about Irish people blowing up English shopping centres?

The history of Ireland is complex, often involving atrocity and counter-atrocity and much pain on all sides.

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As for the neo-Nazi statement think what you like sweet heart I bloody don't give a horses arse.


The NPD are often linked with neo-Nazis - they're in the European National Front europarty, which contains other neo-fascist and racist parties. Hell, they even support pan-Germanism for feck's sake.



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18 May 2012, 5:49 pm

Tequila wrote:
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800 years of irish oppression under English rule


Does that kind of nonsense help the Irish people - those who class themselves as British and those who don't - in any way?

Should I be bitter about Irish people blowing up English shopping centres?

The history of Ireland is complex, often involving atrocity and counter-atrocity and much pain on all sides.

It was the brits who viewed us as pesants and subhuman they are to blame for the IRA bombing them.

And the Irish blowing up english shopping center is sad but what the english have done is to the Irish is much worse then that.

The Irish had to deal with english Imperialism for 800 bloody years if they would have let the Irish live in peace then their would not have been a IRA and I have IRA family members.

I know my family history I know Irish history what gave the British a right to spread their bloody british Imperialism on us?