The Westboro Baptist Church and other Bible Thumpers

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Except you know if it is harmful or not. You have an opinion which says homosexuality is harmful to society or not. You essentially stated that it is harmful. If you say to someone that if you say any more about it you might be banned, that answer is you want it criminalized. I think that is obviously apparent.



How is saying homosexuals live a life of sin and commit aberrant behavior not offensive? I would find that pretty offensive if I were gay and you said that to me, but that's just me, I don't know about anyone else.

Another insinuation of needed conversions as well...



If you thought I was baiting you why didn't you just leave? Your answer was to the SECOND time I asked for it.

You skirted the ToS with a backdoor comment insinuating that homosexuality should be criminalized, then tried to get others to drop it so it goes unquestioned. When I call you out for what it really was (an act of cowardice), you cry about going to a moderator because for some reason you think the other things you have said on this thread (as well as probably other threads if I cared to check) aren't offensive or insulting to homosexuals.

So go get one. I am not taking it from some homophobe who does not have the fortitude to answer questions directly or debate honestly, but rather tries to deflect everything or give some back-handed comment to what he really feels should be done, and when they get taken to task they threaten to get moderators to cower behind. How am I baiting you if you don't think it should be criminalized?

That is because you cannot bother to read or honestly interpret anything I post. Someone else has already picked up on that.

"Harmful to society?" Homosexuals are very much a part of society. As long as they are working and paying taxes, what difference does it make? If you want to criminalize homosexuality, then how would you punish them? By locking them away in a prison that is overcrowded with horny, sex-starved men who aren't going to see a woman for a long, long time to come? Some of the homosexuals might not want to leave.

Obesity is harmful to society. It leads to dramatically increased morbidity that is expensive to treat, time off of work, and causes requirements for expensive accomodations. There are relatively few homosexuals in society, but quite a lot of fat people. If obesity is to be criminalized, then how are we going to punish them? By tying them to a bed and forcefeeding them twinkies and coca-cola?


Homosexuals are perfectly capable of forming outstanding relationships with God. The Bible doesn't say that homosexuality is "sinful": only that it is abominable.

Obesity does far greater harm, even if the Bible and Southern Baptist Convention do not express loathing of gluttony.

That is getting a bit cultish.


Nope. Leviticus calls for the homosexual man to be stoned to death. Repentance is not an option.

It's a double-edged sword. If I believe the Bible, the Bible says it is wrong and harmful to society, what does it logically follow that I believe? It wouldn't be consistent if I stated something opposed to my convictions, would it? I'm not going to live a lie. But expressing views seen as hateful and "homophobic" violate ToS--and it doesn't matter if I agree with the mods on what is/isn't homophobic. So I have to keep certain views to myself for the sake of playing nicely with others. The best course of action is to stand mute on that, don't you think? Demanding I answer for something like that knowing what could happen if I do is a little unfair, don't you think? I find it at once amusing and disturbing that I'm the one being called a coward here. I'd have figured WP would be above allowing it's members persecute each other.


All have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. I can't make you believe the Bible. If you don't want to believe the Bible, that's your business. But this is a forum that includes discussion of religion, and that's the context I'm working with here.


I don't understand why I'm the one who has to back down if I'm being bullied. I'm not going to express an opinion that I think might be perceived as homophobic, and you can't make me.


But it's a matter of a religious view. I have no issue expressing religious views that offend others, nor do I take issue with my own right to be offended. On a forum that deals with philosophy and religion, toes are going to get stepped on. It's unavoidable. But the least we can do is disagree with respect to other human beings and their worldviews. What you're trying to do is get me to express a view that you know will get me banned if I take personal ownership of it. So all I can do on the matter is refer to the teachings I follow.


I shouldn't HAVE to get a mod. And I don't intend on bringing mods into this. But mods WILL check threads out and they WILL ban members who grossly violate ToS. I don't think I should be punished for trying to abide by the rules.

that is no excuse nor argument.

i dont care what your actions are based on, if they cannot stand up to themselves and reason they dont stand up at all.

insinuating in this case was effectively saying.

IF it is harmful to society, though. "IF" is the key word here. I'm not going down that road again.


If it is abominable, does it not follow that it is also sinful?

I think maybe homosexuals are perfectly capable of forming relationships with God, but I would disagree that it follows that they would continue in actively homosexual behavior. It does sometimes happen that homosexuals choose celibacy over any kind of intimate relationship.


meh...


Not necessarily, though. Due process was a feature of Mosaic law even back then. To take punitive action, it would have to be something that known to occur within the community. I doubt that the Israelites had some form of "gay police" banging down doors and checking penises to make sure there weren't any homos doing the dirty in secret. The point the OT makes is that the Israelites were supposed to care enough about each other they wouldn't want anything bad to happen even to an individual. We as a modern society don't have quite that sense of corporate solidarity that was instilled in the early Israelites, so it's hard to understand. But I imagine if one person knew about it, he'd try his best to convince his friend to stop the sinful behavior before worse things happened. If the behavior continued, it would take at least two witnesses to bring the offenders before the elders for trial before putting them to death. There is always an opportunity to turn back from sin.

But, like I said, I doubt there was any kind of homo Gestapo seeking these people out. What Leviticus most likely refers to is an act done in public, e.g. male temple prostitutes. I don't think that lets non-pagan homosexuality off the hook; it's just more difficult to prosecute.

Hmmm..... Punishment from God, or punishment from the moderators? Tough choice.

Anywhom, Paul says



Apparently, Christians should not judge non-Christians.



If Paul is living like a Gentile when he is among Gentiles, then he must be practising homosexuality.

If over time an increasing percentage of a population shifted towards gay, at what point would continued propagation of the species be threatened? (Just a thought experiment about logistics.)

That's quite astonishing because not only are you making a generalised judgement on any relationship I may have with God while knowing neither me nor that, you also determine that if I had formed any relationship with God it should of necessity curtail my relationship with others.
You are also assuming, somewhat arrogantly I might add, only your concept of God exists and that I must therefore subscribe to the same concept.
It does not and I do not.

Not necessarily. Something could be abominable without being sinful. And, something can be sinful without being abominable. The two words are not identical.

Perhaps some religious homosexuals could weigh in? Do you think that someone could form a relationship with God and continue masturbating?

Right, I'm bullying and persecuting you...I forgot how anti-gay Christian logic worked.

Considering the fact I told you you weren't getting banned for expressing a view like that, I think have a pretty good case for libel and you trying to snake your way out.

Persecute me next! Me next! I can take the heat!

Alright. I don't really know much about you though. Why don't you tell me a little about yourself? Don't say I am not a just and fair persecutor.

Oh geez, I should others tell about me. Character witnesses you know...

I am X-Men though.

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Unless you are a moderator, your guarantee isn't worth much.

I'm guessing that AngelRho has already received a fair number of warnings and spankings.

Persecution is illogical or just plain stupid in almost 100% of cases. If you give me something good I can run with it.