16 Aug 2012, 8:56 pm
Ancalagon wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
with a brain size larger than modern mans I think they could hold their own.
1) I don't believe you can predict intelligence purely from brain size.
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My point was semantic if H. neanderthalensis survived to the modern era we would see them as modern humans. Not all of us of course but folks who are not racist.
I think they would be categorized as a different species of humans. And I think that labeling anyone who might possibly disagree with you over a matter with relatively little evidence as 'racist' is quite silly.
1) Relative brain size actually a fairly good guide within primates even better within the apes.
I think tool manufacture, indications of ritual behavior etc. are there as well.
Amounts are hard to judge the Goshute in the great basin or some of the Australian indigenous have very little material culture but are still quite human.
2) Who did I call racist the hypothetical people in my hypothetical construction?
How rude of me maybe I should dream them up and apologize to them.
16 Aug 2012, 9:52 pm
JakobVirgil wrote:
1) Relative brain size actually a fairly good guide within primates even better within the apes.
I'm not disputing that it's a fairly good rough guide. I don't think it's accurate enough to lead by itself to a conclusion that Neanderthals must have been as smart or smarter than us.
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I think tool manufacture, indications of ritual behavior etc. are there as well.
Amounts are hard to judge the Goshute in the great basin or some of the Australian indigenous have very little material culture but are still quite human.
Amounts are hard to judge the Goshute in the great basin or some of the Australian indigenous have very little material culture but are still quite human.
I think the amount of material isn't the best measure. A better measure would be sophistication. Everything I've ever heard about Neanderthal toolmaking says that theirs were significantly less sophisticated than modern humans' at the same time. I don't know about the Goshute or the Australian natives, but if their tools are similarly primitive, it might lend some weight to your theory.
I think they probably do have sophisticated tools, and I bet they have art, too.
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2) Who did I call racist the hypothetical people in my hypothetical construction?
How rude of me maybe I should dream them up and apologize to them.
How rude of me maybe I should dream them up and apologize to them.
If you weren't trying to make any implications about people in this universe, then never mind.
16 Aug 2012, 10:02 pm
Ancalagon wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
1) Relative brain size actually a fairly good guide within primates even better within the apes.
I'm not disputing that it's a fairly good rough guide. I don't think it's accurate enough to lead by itself to a conclusion that Neanderthals must have been as smart or smarter than us.
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I think tool manufacture, indications of ritual behavior etc. are there as well.
Amounts are hard to judge the Goshute in the great basin or some of the Australian indigenous have very little material culture but are still quite human.
Amounts are hard to judge the Goshute in the great basin or some of the Australian indigenous have very little material culture but are still quite human.
I think the amount of material isn't the best measure. A better measure would be sophistication. Everything I've ever heard about Neanderthal toolmaking says that theirs were significantly less sophisticated than modern humans' at the same time. I don't know about the Goshute or the Australian natives, but if their tools are similarly primitive, it might lend some weight to your theory.
I think they probably do have sophisticated tools, and I bet they have art, too.
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2) Who did I call racist the hypothetical people in my hypothetical construction?
How rude of me maybe I should dream them up and apologize to them.
How rude of me maybe I should dream them up and apologize to them.
If you weren't trying to make any implications about people in this universe, then never mind.
Totally off topic and bound to get me in trouble but I adore G.K. Chesterton even though he is racist as hell.
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17 Aug 2012, 8:03 pm
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Ancalagon wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Transition from Neanderthals to Homo Sapiens?
I'm more of a believer in the theory that modern humans had arrived in Europe to replace Neanderthals, rather than Neanderthals having evolved into modern humans.
I'm more of a believer in the theory that modern humans had arrived in Europe to replace Neanderthals, rather than Neanderthals having evolved into modern humans.
Transition as in when modern humans replaced Neanderthals.
Yes.
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This decorative shell likely adorned the neck of a Neanderthal around 50,000 years ago.
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