Are the Muslims really the biggest threat . . .

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My mind is simple and mousy.

I ain't Professor Yaffle, that's for sure.

Our biggest threat right now is ourselves.

I don't think so, Islam is just another religion. It is the ones who are brainwashed by the radicals that pose a threat and should be dealt with because terrorists cannot be reasoned with. That does not only apply to Islam extremists, but all extremists. To use a religion to kill thousands if not millions of innocent people who do not go by those beliefs is disgusting in my opinion. It is like the puritans of colonial America forcing native Americans to either convert or perish, same analogy only on a global scale.

And Islam is more bigoted and intolerant than any religion I know.

Right there! You have nailed the basic problem with some religions. No religion or church should be allowed to get a hold of the powers of State. Ever.

ruveyn

I agree with every word.
In the UK our spineless politicians are turning our country into an islamic cess pit.

NOBODY wants muslims in the UK except the traitor politicians and a few bleeding heart do gooders.
99% of the population is sick of none stop muslim immigration.

I would put every single one of them on a leaky boat first thing in the morning and good riddance.

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Should a person who meets all the legal requirements to immigrate to Britain be denied that privilege simply because he is a Muslim? Are all Muslims enemies or likely enemies of the State? Do you think there is any way the a Muslim could be certified as a good and peaceful citizen of the realm? Just asking.

If Islam is potentially hostile to peace in the land (and I believe it is) I have no problem with requiring practicing Muslims to take an oath that they will obey the general laws, not partake in acts of violence or acts threatening violence and not practice any religious principle in a way that is against the general laws of the community (such as abusing women, for example) If that oath is violated than that person should be deported (if foreign born) or put in prison (if home born).. I can put up with Muslims as long as they behave themselves. It amy be necessary to place a Muslim under observation of probation for some period of time until he proves himself to be a quiet law abiding citizen.

If a Muslim is willing to be a quiet and well behaved person, then he should enjoy the same rights as everyone else.

In the days before the Enlightenment, Jews in Europe solved this problem The Rabbis decided that the laws of the domain were imposed on Jews by God and Jews were obliged to obey the laws of the domain as long as they did not require bloodshed, sexual immorality or idol worship. Hence a Jew who was drafted into the army was required to go, because that was the general laws prevailing in the domain. The principle is: Dinat malachuta, din. The Law of the realm is the Law. The Rabbinical courts did not permit a Jew to transgress the laws of realm (except for the above exceptions noted) simply because they were at odds with the Torah. Jews were required to pay their taxes just like everyone else and obey the speed laws etc etc etc. Nor were Jews permitted to block a road on the Sabbath in such a way that a non-Jew would not be able to go on a public way. This was exactly what Jesus meant by rendering unto Caesar what was his and unto God what was His.

ruveyn

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You're right. I can't walk down the road without being ushered into a mosque. I have to pray to Allah five times a day or they rescind my bin collection. They're shutting down vital services at the local hospital to appease the Islamists. It's awful.

Good grief. I presume in your terrifying vision, it would be illegal to convert to Islam, on pain of deportation (to where?).

Find: 'islamic'; 'muslim'. Replace: Jew; black; gypsy. It gets a bit dodgy, no?

Wow, I thought WrongPlanet was better than this. If you were asking if Islam was a threat, maybe that would kinda be reasonable in a way, at least then you're disagreeing with the religion instead of actual people. Islamism being a threat, no problem there. But Muslims being a threat to the modern world? Not Al-Qaida or the Taliban or even Iran, but all Muslims? Yeah, because obviously I spend my weekends constructing explosives and stoning adulterers, right? Being a decent American citizen who obeys the law and thinks people have the right to freedom of religion is just a ruse, I suppose. After all, obviously Osama bin Laden is a perfect representation of millions of people. But there's no way anyone could suggest Joseph Kony had anything to do with normal Christians, for example. No no no, that would be intolerant.

Grow up. There will always be nutcases willing to use any religion as an justification for evil, please don't judge the rest of us by their actions.

great post,

i agree 100%

unfortunately on here some people think they are justified in some of the worst behavior humanity has to offer, often its the people that are so far off that no one has a chance of reaching them in the first place, making it almost impossible to do anything about the irrational behavior when it ensues.

I'm not suggesting that all Muslims in the West are suicide bombers, genital mutilators and fanatical lunatics. Far from it.

There's a worrying minority though that does agree with homophobia, and anti-Semitism and terrorism (even if not carrying it out), and it's not necessarily small in Britain and I believe it's that that's a cause for concern. The majority Muslim population needs to be given help to ostracise and deal with the extremists that exist. Being able to laugh at these weirdy-beardy fanatics (as well as making sure that others, like elements of the EDL aren't left out) rather than trying to mollify them would be a good start.

While the majority of Muslims in industrialized countries like Britain, Canada and the U.S. are generally law abiding, they still have not learned to spit out the fanatics from among them. The result is that fanatics can circulate freely and safely in the law abiding Muslim communities. Law abiding Muslims must learn to reject the fanatics and to call them out as lawbreakers, wrong doers and criminals.

As long as non-fanatic Muslims abide by omerte (the code of silence) they constitute a danger to the society at large.

ruveyn

My comments are basically a response to people who think only Christians are intolerant.

It was based on the way both religions deal with the rights of women and LGBT people.

I think most people don't give a crap about Muslims as long as they integrate (i.e. , obey the law and keep their religion to themselves without demanding special treatment over and above any other citizen.



You can shove your bigoted BNP rhetoric up your arse, frankly. British Muslims are as welcome here as any other citizen (it's their home and Britain is where they belong ), as long as they adhere to the terms and conditions above. Doesn't mean we have to welcome any more immigrants though.

Do you believe religious freedom also applies to people who are born Muslim and want to apostate themselves?