Opinion on chivalry?

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I got the train home one evening and a man around the age of 70 offered his seat to a 20 year old woman.
He solely did this because she was a woman.
Do you think this kind of behavior is acceptable?

It's good manners to offer ones seat to a woman.

In this case, I'd say the woman showed bad manners in accepting it, but the offer itself is simply something considered to be polite.

In his youth it was ingrained in his mind to provide for women,it most likely made him feel good about himself,even though he's elderly he was still able to provide something,his seat.

You're absolutely right, there is an abundance of sexism towards men today in the media and from women.

It's repulsive that women think of this "as a joke" yet any sexist joke towards them,

or any sexist act and the man "is considered a pig and is heavily criticized.
This hypocrisy is very prevalent in a lot of women

If you want ME to treat you like a lady , then you well better behave like one princess. That means that you *don't* get to do everything that men get to do and vice versa. Dear me, even way out in buttf*ck egypt where you live women still have a sense of entitlement. If I treat you like a lady that means you must submit and RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH because I am a Man, you are a woman, and you must submit. If you are religious, then surely you understand that God demands that women be obedient and respectful of men and their power & glory.


Regarding the statement in bold: You need to get in touch with reality.

You don't get many dates, do you Clucky?

Shut up, woman! Or I'll really give you somethin to cry about.

What I'm going to say has mostly been said already, but I'd like to put my thoughts out there anyway.

I don't believe in chivalry per se, but I do believe on having good manners. The key of it seems to be in doing things that help the other person more than they trouble me. Like holding a door open, it takes a second of my time but makes it easier to the other person to go through, men and even some women have done that to me, and I'm grateful. I only give my seat to elderly people, pregnant women, disabled people, and people with a baby. Once I saw this twentysomething woman standing up on a bus complaining loudly about how there were no gentleman left in the world, I just kept my seat as I don't think she has any right of it, she's as capable as me of standing up. That sounded just like entitlement. In the OP example, I'd say that the woman should reject it at first, and then take it if the man insists, and the man just did what he was taught to do and there is nothing wrong with that.

She was not a lady and therefore no gentleman should be compelled to offer his seat to her.

Gender should really not play a part in this. But sometimes it does, and it makes part of one's culture. A bus again, if I'm with a female acquaintance and there is only one seat, then I must give it to her. Not particularly fair, but I'd rather stand around a bit than look like an a**hole. Maybe she's not an acquaintance but a friend or a family member, then I don't mind because I actually enjoy doing things for them. And there is stuff like carrying heavy things around, where the average men will usually do better than the average women, I remember one time where I could bring two heavy suitcases up a ladder more easily than any of the women in my group could do with a single one, so naturally I did it. But when it's just rolling them on the floor, they can do it themselves.

Right. I was expecting this.

Some need to study the present as well. Inequality and abuse are not restricted to countries with religious governments. The past, sadly, is not only the past, it is also the present. Not that things are not better than they used to be in many places mind you, but they are far from equal anywhere.

BTW: I you think I'm defending chivalry, you're way off the mark. I'm neither defending nor refuting it.

Dear Clucky,
Read what else I wrote.
I do not EXPECT special treatment,but if men show it I respect their gesture.And I have given male friends flowers,as a guy told me once,"men like to get flowers too",
I treat people of both sexes with dignity,the way I want to be treated.
And men were more protective of women in the past.Why?Because of the fact that with not really any good birth control any woman of child bearing age stood a good chance of being in the early stages of pregnancy.

There's a lot more to chivalry than good manners and opening doors and pulling out chairs for women, kiddo..........But I guess you're too old to really be able to learn that.


I am chivalrous from time to time when the occasion calls for it, but chivalry is not enough to seal the deal when it comes to getting her in the sack or getting her to say "yes" when you give her the ring.

Hugs to Fnord. Now see, whatever your name was who told me to "respect your authoritah" or other BS, I couldn't. Because you are not a man. Fnord however, is. We may not agree on stuff, but I consider Fnord a gentleman and I respect him and his opinions. While I may not share them, I do respect them. I feel that he respects mine. I also think Fnord is the kind to open doors, hold chairs, take a lady's arm while walking down the street, and tip his hat. Even if he doesn't actually do those acts, he has the presence that he's a gentleman. So, there ya go.

Lets see baby boy. If it were a choice that come down to it, and it was my choice, I'd pick Fnord over you any day. No offense here.

Disclaimer, I do not want to date, sleep with or marry either of you, but I do enjoy posting with both you boys.

I'm just saying's all.

I get rather fed up with die hard femminists who would bite the hand off a man if he held the door open for her.

But how, in your example, was the woman being sexist?



By not calling the older man on it? Are women supposed to not only not be sexist but to correct others' behavior? As someone said earlier, that's getting into the realm of thought police. I don't do that. I afford each person the ability to think and act for themselves as long as they're harming no one. The man was being KIND. Maybe he was also being sexist, I don't know. But he wasn't groping her breasts or calling her "babe" or anything like that, as far as we can tell from your description. He was simply being kind - to a woman, oh my god! We are not even clear, because you didn't specify, how you know he did it solely because she was female. (ETA: We also have no information on what her thinking was in accepting the seat.) Yet you think she was being sexist?

ETA: Here's one scenario to consider: She could have been a waitress in his favorite diner and he knew she had been on her feet all day. She was so tired she couldn't bring herself to turn down the chance to sit. But we don't know, do we, and it seems pointless to me to jump to conclusions - especially such judgmental ones - about an apparent act of kindness.

Yer breakin mah heart!


PS: You're way too old and I don't care for sarcastic women.