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^ You are still talking nonsense. I see no point in discussing this further with you as you are clearly incapable of sensible debate.

Please. Step up my friend. I'm encouraging you.

Best Regards,

Jake

It seems to be a pointless exercise as you don't appear to comprehend anything that anyone is saying to you.

Step up, defend your position! I'm not trying to be rude I'm just simply showing you what you believe. You can say all the words you want. Just because I don't agree with your position doesn't make my position wrong. Welcome to reality.

You're either being wilfully ignorant or you aren't capable of understanding the point I'm trying to make. Let me break it down for in simple terms.

Morality can be debated, depending on the action and situation. Morality is not firm or objective, it is a subjective decision. Ones personal values, such as what they want and what they're willing to do to get it, are subjective as well.

Mathematics, on the whole, are not subjective. They are clearly defined and acknowledged. The values of numbers are also clearly defined and acknowledged.

You see, the word "values" can have multiple meanings. Personal values and mathematical values are not the same thing, nor are they comparable in any meaningful way. You are comparing two things that cannot be compared. Your argument makes absolutely no sense. It is grievously flawed because you insist on hounding a point that no rational human being can see. You have abandoned all pretence of sense in favour of throwing worthless and pointless ramblings at me in hope that you'll frustrate me into admitting defeat.

For clarity, I will explain the difference between mathematical values and personal values again. I suggest you read this:

Mathematical values are clearly defined constants. For example, if you have one dollar in your pocket, it will remain one dollar until you add or subtract more money. If you add one more dollar, you now have two dollars. If you add a further fifty cents, you have two dollars and fifty cents. That is basic mathematics, it is not something up for debate. That is reality, that is fact, to argue against that is either wilful ignorance, stupidity, or insanity.

Personal values are how one lives their life; their beliefs, their wants, the methods they use to get what they want, etc. Personal values are easily debatable, because they are entirely subjective. What you want can be different from what I want. You may want to go eat a hamburger, while I may want to go eat a chicken-fried steak dinner. You may want to settle down and marry, have a family, and live a long and simple life. I might want to remain single my entire life, never have a family, and lead a short but eventful life. The positives and negatives of such things are easily compared and disputed.

Do you understand the difference? If not, I suggest you return to school to learn the basics of reason and logic that you so obviously missed.

All you are doing is chasing your own tail with logical fallacies. You haven't addressed any of the points raised, you just keep repeating the same nonsense post after post. I've better things to do with my time.

Your missing my point. So there. You've chose to miss my point multiple times. Your creating excuses. Just admit that you might have a flaw in your logic. Skip the math portion as you missed that one.

Atheist preach about logic and reasoning, you said so yourself. Well breaking down what I just said before about how an Atheist thinks, using your own words. I can say 2+2=6 because as an Atheist, it's my own choice of values and I decided it to be true so obviously it is. I set my own mathematical standards and values. You are over-analyzing this and making excuse after excuse and just throwing words at me. Please step up and defend that motion. Under Atheist logic, 2+2=6 because I set my own values and reasoning. I'm simply doing what you said and thinking like one.



Sounds to me like your avoiding whats really in front of you. Can Atheism logic address that what I said? Under Atheist logic cannot I not design my own way of thinking?


Best Regards,

Jake

No. You are wrong. While two plus two can be made to equal six, there is no logical reason to do so. I asked you at least once to explain to me your logic behind making two plus two equal six, and you failed to explain anything. I asked you several times to give me a situation dealing with morality, the topic at hand mind you, so that I may take a position and defend it. You failed to do so.

You are slowly forcing me to come to the conclusion that you have no interest in debate and are, in simple fact, trolling for your own amusement. Please, prove me wrong. Explain the logic behind wanting two and two to make six (no, saying "because I want it too" is not a logical reason, you need to explain to me your train of logic leading to the conclusion that breaking from the most basic frameworks of mathematics is somehow necessary), or give me a situation dealing with morality.

It isn't a question whether whose right or wrong, It's never been like that. Calm down, it's a lively discussion. I'm not a troll. Just because I don't necessarily agree with Atheism doesn't makes me a troll, I'm simply engaging your logic. Under Atheist logic: 2+2= 6 is because I can decide my own morals and values. Even though in reality the statement is 2+2=4. Atheism is that, defining your own reality. I'm simply stating that because you think like that, It is easy for me to exploit it because it does not hold water by providing logical solid ground.

I just find it amusing. I'm not debating sides, I'm debating the fallacy of an Atheist logic. I'm just asking you to consider what you say and preach and how it reflects to others. Words do matter, you know.


In defense of the alternative.

Consider this; Even if there was a "Creator" wouldn't the "Creator" design a moral system? Wouldn't have moral absolutes that people follow that withstand the test of time? Moral Absolute, such a murder is an universally negative action. Regardless of who you are, you can agree that taking a life without cause is wrong. By the "Creator's" standards and not by my own. Even if there wasn't a "Creator" how can you explain the vast expansion of a world that we live is created by some cosmic chance? It leaves too many unanswered questions. Lastly, each of us has a soul, you can see that once someone dies. It's not empirically measurable but then again, if you consider this position, Atheism does not answer the response. Under Atheist logic, we arrived from nothing. We just came and arrived how we were. Not bashing Atheist at all. If morals are relative then why do I care? What encourages me to move and attack each day?

If I really wanted to find solid ground, monotheism provides it. Atheism leaves many unanswered questions and provides a challenge of explaining logic.
If you want to find moral solid ground, I would ask you to search yourself and seek your own answers. In my opinion, monotheism provides moral solid ground created by the "Creator" and endowed upon the "Creation" we use the moral absolutes as guidance in our daily lives. Even if there was not a "Creator" just the possibility of man arriving by chance leaves a lot to be desired. If our morals were all relative, we would be viciously killing each other. No one would account to anyone and we would drift as a species. Moral absolutes create the hope and desire, even if they are false, that continues to push man.


Best Regards,

Jake.

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Again, more illogical nonsense. What has morality and values got to do with mathematics?

Because I can decide it because I can think like an Atheist!
That is the flaw in Atheist Logic.

The only flaws I can see are your abilities to present a coherent argument for debate... your maths needs work too!

The way I see it is you have no argument!

Good night and good riddance!

You aren't presenting any coherent questions for me to answer. By way of metaphor you keep asking me why there are 63.7 gallons in a mile. There is no answer to your question because you aren't posing a valid question. I'm happy to debate people provided the debate makes sense. You keep going around in circles with the same non-question.

Charming! Is this an example of Christian morality?