Our friends, the Syrian 'rebels'
Actually, he did promote the extermination of Syrians. You didn't misrepresent him. One doesn't have to explicitly state that we must all go exterminate them; supporting their extermination is still promoting it.
Wrong again. Rejoicing in the down-fall of others (schadenfreude) is not the same as doing ill to others. I can be glad someone is dead without taking part in any violent acts against that someone. If all the Syrians died tomorrow I would not shed a single tear. For a non-muslim, a world with few Muslims is a good thing.
Every time Muslim A kills Muslim B I note the fact and find it an incremental improvement of the world.
Rejoicing in the death of an enemy is not a moral wrong nor is it a crime. In the U.S. it is perfectly legal.
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Samaha was arrested on 9 August 2012 due to his involvement in transporting explosives into Lebanon with the help of the Syrian Security Chief Ali Mamlouk and his attempt to destabilize the country.[20] The other reason for his arrest was "inciting sectarian strife" in Lebanon.[21] Samaha was arrested based on the instructions from the acting public prosecutor of Lebanon.[22]
In December 2012, 14 March MP Okab Sakr claimed that Jamil Al Sayyed, who is one of Samaha's close confidants, had been in the car with Samaha along with a third person while transferring explosives from Syria to Lebanon to carry out terrorist attacks.[23][24] Samaha had close links with various senior Syrian political and intelligence aides, including top adviser to President Assad, Butheina Shaban in relation to this activities.[25][24]
One of Samaha's lawyers is Sayyed's son, Malek Sayyed.[26][27] Samaha confessed on 10 August to the Internal Security Forces Information Branch that Syrian President Bashar Assad wanted bomb attacks in Lebanon.[28] Najib Mikati, the Lebanese Prime Minister, stated in September 2012 that Samaha admitted his involvement of plotting terror attacks in Lebanon.[29] According to leaked interrogation transcripts, Samaha suggested that the bombs were meant to target Lebanese Christian leaders in order to raise sectarian tensions.[30]
The intelligence branch of the Lebanese Internal Security Forces (ISF), headed by Wissam al-Hassan who was assassinated on 19 October 2012, played a central role in his arrest.[31][32] Samir Geagea argued that al-Hassan was assassinated due to his involvement in the arrest of Samaha.[33]
It's very hypocrite of you to claim that Al Assad protectsChristians, his regime was the fiercest enemy and killer against Lebanese Christians - Why do you think Mcalevera hates him for example?
Syria entered the war on the side of the Christians in 1975.
Please spur my historic memory concerning that conflict.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
On 1975, and later???? Yeah xenon, tell him the whole story.
http://www.liberty05.com/civilwar/civil.html
After seeing all that senseless tit-for-tat murder, I think I will be despondent for the rest of the day.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
So every time an Islamic fanatic walks into a mosque and slaughters simple people praying, you think that's an improvement?
You find the idea of Islamic fanatics savagely assaulting ordinary women trying to live a life out of piss all and torturing them to death an improvement of the world?
I'm sorry, but that's just sick and disgusting. And I'm pretty anti-Islam as you know already.
I'm sorry, but that's just sick and disgusting. And I'm pretty anti-Islam as you know already.
Apparently not enough. Islam is a demonic, wicked and vile religion which has been a plague on the human race since 1300 c.e.
The earlier smarter Islam died and rose again as a monster.
ruveyn
And I don't hate Jews in general just for your information, everyone.
http://www.liberty05.com/civilwar/civil.html
I just realized what xenon was saying exactly. He is saying Syria did nothing against the Lebanese Christians, right? Now that's the joke of the century.
Syria entered the war as part of an Arab League mandate on behalf of the Christian-dominated government. They always had Christian factions on their side including the Frangiehs most notably.
And they also persecuted Lebanese Christians as well. I may not know the full Lebanese history like Boo does, but I've been exposed to way too many Lebanese people to get this wrong. There's a reason the Lebanese Forces and other Lebanese parties followers hate Bashar's guts.
So every time an Islamic fanatic walks into a mosque and slaughters simple people praying, you think that's an improvement?
You find the idea of Islamic fanatics savagely assaulting ordinary women trying to live a life out of piss all and torturing them to death an improvement of the world?
I'm sorry, but that's just sick and disgusting. And I'm pretty anti-Islam as you know already.
Then again, he said something similar about the Japanese people some time ago.
War, as practiced by the Nations, mostly under Geneva Conventions, is the least bloody.
WWII, the safe place to be was in uniform, as most of the dying was done by common civilians.
Even under classic rules, Uniforms, Fronts, Armies, Civil Wars are the most bloody.
Rebellions against governments really get the blood flowing. Governments are not sure who to kill, so most everyone will do.
Religious Wars do not have an end goal, except genocide.
Terrorist are at war with everyone, including each other.
Sryia started with calling for demostrations, then shooting a few people and blaming the government, then shooting the police and blaming the people.
Both sides will react, but not toward the single sniper who started it all. It is a classic "Let's you and him fight."
Sryia has posted long lists of fighters found, mostly dead, with passports from somewhere else, and not even a tourist visa. They could not belong to any domestic faction.
Under traditional rules such people were shot, no trial needed, and torture before killing to extract information is accepted. Also, any local found together with the "Free Killer". Their status is somewhere around playing host to a known serial killer.
When there is some doubt about who let their town be used to kill captured troops, and eat their body parts, and stayed after most had left and reported the condition, killing everyone is a reasonable goal when retaking the town.
Reduce it to rubble, kill the survivors. The Americans did it to Fallugah, Takreit, seats of Saddam's power in Iraq. Urban warfare is building by building, and anyone in those buildings.
Combine Urban Warfare, Religion, Ethnic Cleansing, Cannibals, posting videos of killing captured people and eating their body parts, rubble followed by smaller rubble, then Napalm, then load the rubble in trucks and leave clear ground.
It is the only response to a Night Of The Living Dead attack. Zombies have no rights. It is also the only way to give justice to the families of troops killed after capture, neighbors killed for being the wrong religion, or not supporting the free killers.
When McArthur took Manila, he killed half the population, all of the Japanese enlisted, and captured 5,000 officers, which he mass tried the next day, and hung the following day. The surviving people of Manila cheered him. That was a war between the Uniformed Armies of Nations.
On islands defended by over 100,000 Japanese, none survived.
The invasion of Japan was moving along, mass stocks of nerve gas were ready at the front to depopulate the islands. The Atomic Bomb saved them. The plan was to kill everything, move forward, kill everything, till there was nothing left to kill.
Such is war, Sryia is hardly more than organised crime bringing in some out of town hit men for a gang war. They are so many factions that if the gangs won, they could not rule, they would fight, and minor players would wind up with chemical weapons.
They have hardly killed more than Mexicans, and kidnapping for ransom is big in both countries. Well armed thug culture is still thug culture.
Assad is the lessor evil.
Now let's put things in perspective for everyone to see and judge for themselves which side is worse.
We have the Assad regime - no qualms in killing innocent people just for protesting and will kill children without any worries - backed by an Islamist party: Hizballah (just as bad as any Islamist Jihadi group) and Iran in general (an Islamic nation)
Then we have the other side, which is a collective of various groups, each with different goals and motives and means to overthrow Bashar, many of them are terrorists (like the Nusra) BUT there are also well-meaning rebels who want nothing but the best for the Syrian people in general (and they are mainly FSA and National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces ld by a Christian: George Sabra) and these latter don't go around killing innocent people, only those who are a danger to the Syrian people (like the Shabbiha and Regime thugs).
So tell me again who's the lesser evil?
If the question is Bashar vs. FSA? Then if you know who the FSA are and aren't confusing them with Jihadi outsiders, then if you have a sane mind, you should definitely answer FSA.
I don't understand why so many people are against helping the rebels because they are supported by fundamentalists. Assad is also supported by fundamentalists such as Hezbollah and other crazy groups.
Russia is still selling heavy military equipment to the regime. They recently ordered at least 10 MiG fighters and systems similar to the patriot missile system.
And does anyone really believe a political solution is feasible? I've heard European politicians saying this for about 2 years now. I get the feeling they just don't want to get involved in any way or make a commitment in some way (such as the "red line" about the chemical weapons) so they just make some empty statement about how a political solution would be preferred.
I'm not so sure. I don't think there would be popular support for that. With Afghanistan and Iraq there was at least the perception that the USA itself was at risk. I don't think people in the US or Europe feel a sense of urgency with Syria. And I don't think Russia will come around, apparently they have a naval base in Syria, their only one in the Mediterranean. They are still selling weapons to the regime. I think they want a political solution or no solution. I think with Libya there was a UN resolution to create the no-fly zone. Without Russia there will be no UN mandate for anything like that in Syria.
The FSA has committed plenty massacres, they just attacked a Christian village a few days ago and were executing women and children. The FSA is no secular fighting force, they actually have a unit called the Osama Bin Laden brigade. They've carried out many car bombs and suicide bombings of civilians targets. A good portion of their fighters have left to join the al-Nusra front. You can't disassociate them from 'the rebels' and say they're not so bad, they are main force fighting Assad. Do you really think that some western backed group that has no presence in Syria will be able to control these groups that have their own agenda? A good portion if not the majority of rebel fighters in Syria are foreign fighters, what interest do you think someone from Chechnya has in Syria? Do you think the tens of thousands of foreign fighters will just go home? If Assad falls, do you really think Christians and Alawites will be protected? The US military wasn't able to the Christians in Iraq or stop the sectarian war between Sunnis and Shia. There can be no solution but a political one. Russia will not abandon Syria and neither will Hezbollah or Iran, you cannot defeat Assad without a larger regional war. Cracks are even starting to form in Turkey, this war could destabilize the entire middle east.
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What's your source?
I did some research, and I didn't find a reliable source about it, the oldest source I found was there:
http://www.sma-syria.com/component/cont ... --qq-.html
A pro-Assad website.
I've used Google image-addon to look for the image's source there, and it got me that:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ldren.html
"Graphic photographs have emerged of the victims of an massacre allegedly committed by gangs of Syrian militia loyal to President Bashar Assad."
Now dailymail might not the best but that news was on 6 May, while sma's news with same image is on 27 May.
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