Austerity has hardened the nation's heart

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I'm not what they call "needy" in terms of support from others.
Needy: Wanting or needing affection, attention, or reassurance, especially to an excessive degree.


No, if anything you show the signs of bitterness (to put it mildly) that can be indicative of a destitute or neglected early life.


No, I actually go to work for it but whatever.
Not to say that I'll never be on relief but that is yet to happen.

Even a smallish back yard garden can produce a lot of food.
I've thought about doing it myself....

You are needy for taxpayer money that was taken from others by force. Get a real job in the private sector.


I can't be as bitter as you. At least I can still choose to show kindness to people who aren't insufferable douchebags.


My argument was government should pay unemployed people to do useful things, but whatever. Apparently the concept is over your head. In any case, I think what welfare moms are paid to do -- e.g. raise children affectionately rather than neglect them ( which might turn them into bitter criminals, costing society more ) while they work a pointless McJob -- is more valuable to society than whatever the heck you're paid to do.

ANYBODY reading your posts and mine can clearly see that you're the one that's bitter.

Regarding the title, hearts harden as an adaptation wherever they tend to be broken.

This is so cool,space age terraces in cities! And it would help clean the air.
Maybe a CCC program to build things like this??

You hide your bitterness by being a stereotypical heartless right-wing shill. It's like a brand you parade around to show off. If you weren't a right-wing gun-nut / military buff who chose those interests to mainly to make yourself appear "badass" what would you be? You don't even attempt to respond to any of my arguments with logic. I pointed out that the "teach a man to fish" argument is BS in a world with limited resources and not enough fish to go around for everyone. You have no response so you decide to go into your little infantile game of sarcastic non-responses and red herrings. I've come to the conclusion that you're a poser and nothing more.

Didn't you say that about me last year?
It won't matter what I respond with you'll still disagree with your usual bitter ranting.

Marshall, you're actually coming off worse than Raptor, who has held back from his usual right-wing soundbites over the past couple of pages whilst you've attacked him. Maybe you should ease up a bit. Point out the flaws in his arguments rather than telling him he's clearly had a bad childhood or should get a proper job.

What is it with you people and the infinite regression of quotes.

Actually, unless you're in a position to quote that someone else's facts are wrong (which no fugitive or applicant is)
then perhaps you should start back at the drawing board. Without quoting your relevant position in this, i can safely
say i don't care much for your statistics or views which are centred on a vast growing number of regional apps which
are subject to mandatory refusal, based on revolutionary workforces who choose to shake up the system with caps
and welfare budgets, selected by agencies and internships operating within the government who feel that by solving the countries education welfare system they would rather budget by employing migrant workers paid or non E.u to create a stopgap in the retraining of all staff on a modern safe eco friendly basis.
Now I am saying that a lot of people are getting made redundant and struggling to find help partly because of what the caps bring to families but the issue resolves with the likelihood that now you cant have more than £500 a week for up to three children a month and they dont have to pay tax off the welfare budget
for them. A worker has to earn this by working full time hours when all a stay at home parent needs to do, is- stay at home, either with a relative or support worker. I think that the council homes shake up was better, that a person over 20 needs to pay
tax on a council flat, because before they were just getting multiple benefits for being made homeless.

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/t ... il_tax.htm

http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/universal-credit-uc

When I point out the flaws in his tired "teach a man to fish" argument he decides to post a non-logical flame-bait that doesn't even attempt to address anything I said.

Who comes off worse in this exchange?





Apparently Raptor doesn't want to believe he is dependent on society or anyone else for anything. It looks like his belief has something to do with his personality, not reality. Of course capitalism makes this false belief possible -- the belief that we are all "rugged individuals" who "stand on our own two feet" instead of the reality -- that social and political negotiations are occurring all the time. As someone on the autism spectrum, to me "standing on your own two feet" would mean living independent from society, growing your own food, living like a 19th century homesteader, etc..., not living off a paycheck. A paycheck is something arrived at through negotiation, not something innately "earned". What you "earn" is relative to the society you live in. You do the exact same job in India you will earn less but this does not mean you worked less. Anyways, since Raptor responds to these kinds of posts with flame-baits and gratuitous sarcasm I assume he already knows I'm right and just doesn't want to talk about it because his own ego depends on the right-wing "rugged individualist" motif.

At the risk of getting my head bit off,I think the quote" teach a man to fish" means to teach a man a skill and then he can provide for himself.But there should be a safety net,even if you have a skill, you can loose your job,or get sick.

I wouldn't have any problem with that. That's not what conservatives actually advocate though. They think "teaching a man to fish" is cutting off government aid for things like education or scholarships. If government money is used to help give a leg up that's "enabling dependency" and a waste of money. The conservative view is that "teaching a man to fish" is making a man as desperate as possible. They hope this "tough love" motivates poor people to work extra hard flipping burgers so that one day they can find a better job after they somehow figure out how to acquire more valuable skills even with no money or free time. Hey, if there's a will there's a way!

The fact that Marshall can't grasp the hidden complex meaning of this seemingly simple Chinese proverb without going off speaks volumes.
I say let him continue to vent.

No. I get the proverb. You are the one that either can't grasp complexity or simply prefers simple minded trolling. I'm saying "teach a man to fish" isn't the end all and be all you make it out to be in a depressed economy where so many people's jobs have been outsourced, downsized, or replaced by technology. You can try to train people new skills but maybe not everyone has the aptitude for the high tech jobs that are in need of filling. Also, I don't hear a lot of conservatives talking about job training or anything like that. All they talk about is cutting and "reducing dependency". Welfare, subsidized housing, and food stamps are not a huge chunk of the overall state budget. Military spending is. Also, a lot of government spending is paying people to do things that are helpful and necessary for society as a whole. Even "make work" type of spending is better than letting the penal system or mental health wards deal with the "losers" of society. I'm sick of the BS right wing claim that non-conservatives just want everyone on welfare.