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18 Jun 2018, 12:19 pm

I have no idea. My own country, however, is supposedly communist because we have "free" health care.



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19 Jun 2018, 4:21 am

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I have no idea. My own country, however, is supposedly communist because we have "free" health care.

I think Canada could be MORE socialist tbh. I'm on AiSH and that covers things like dental care and prescriptions, which are things Canada's healthcare system normally doesn't cover. I think everyone should have those things covered.


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22 Jun 2018, 10:00 pm

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There would be no need to buy things if you could just take them.


You are advocating theft? Did I get that right?

No surprise. A socialist is a thief with a fancy justification.

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Property is theft

Property is not theft because you need property to live on and if you buy something it should be completely yours not someone elses or part ownership.



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22 Jun 2018, 10:01 pm

RushKing wrote:
I think an autistic commune could last as long as it can defend itself from state power.

Why do you say that?



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22 Jun 2018, 10:27 pm

Dylanperr wrote:
RushKing wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
RushKing wrote:
There would be no need to buy things if you could just take them.


You are advocating theft? Did I get that right?

No surprise. A socialist is a thief with a fancy justification.

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Property is theft

Property is not theft because you need property to live on and if you buy something it should be completely yours not someone elses or part ownership.

1. Property =/= possession

2. The phrase "Property is theft" refers to Proudhon's rejection of private property in the essay: "What Is Property?". One can reject private property and still retain respect for personal property.



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22 Jun 2018, 10:34 pm

Dylanperr wrote:
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I think an autistic commune could last as long as it can defend itself from state power.

Why do you say that?

Nation states have a track record of attacking autonomous regions.



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24 Jun 2018, 3:44 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
I have no idea. My own country, however, is supposedly communist because we have "free" health care.

You can still be Capitalist and have universal healthcare.



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24 Jun 2018, 12:59 pm

look at the 20th century and explain the me how any form of communism is good or even works.

it cant, it wont, it'll only get millions killed.

a communist-like system can only work with a post-scarcity society. even then, you dont want it.
capitalism works, flawed though it be.



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24 Jun 2018, 1:04 pm

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As said above would a communist nation full of autistics survive longer than a NT one? Why or why not? Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.
I believe if we can collectively work as a team, working with our strengths we will be able to outperform an NT nation. The Austitic communist nation shall be abbreviated to the ASR(Austitic Socialist Republic) for easy forum reference.


Nope. The entire basis of Communism is to make the workers into slaves. You cannot build a modern nation on slavery.

The Soviet Union worked to a degree as long as it was agricultural. The more modern it became, the less well it worked. By the early 1980s, it was in a serious decline with little or no chance of improvement possible.



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24 Jun 2018, 5:17 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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As said above would a communist nation full of autistics survive longer than a NT one? Why or why not? Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.
I believe if we can collectively work as a team, working with our strengths we will be able to outperform an NT nation. The Austitic communist nation shall be abbreviated to the ASR(Austitic Socialist Republic) for easy forum reference.


Nope. The entire basis of Communism is to make the workers into slaves. You cannot build a modern nation on slavery.

The Soviet Union worked to a degree as long as it was agricultural. The more modern it became, the less well it worked. By the early 1980s, it was in a serious decline with little or no chance of improvement possible.


It's a self-defeating concept. And we've seen that, over and over. We can see it now in N-Korea and a few other nations.



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24 Jun 2018, 9:14 pm

What government is the NT nation?



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24 Jun 2018, 9:34 pm

I think, as communism has proven over and over to be a failed system of subjugation of the many by a few, it would be a terrible idea regardless. The only way communism works for the time it does (e.g. China) is the ideology literally must be forced by penalty of imprisonment or death on the enslaved people. It's impossible for communism to exist in a "free" society for that reason.

Also, I can only speak for myself, but I believe people with ASD respect personal space generally better than the NT world. What I mean is, I think violating someone's personal space, especially physically, is at the top of the most egregious transgressions one human can commit against another (e.g. battery/physical violence, rape, murder). Communism as I've said, uses physical force or the threat of it to control its enslaved citizenry. No thank you.

Also, I hated school and had many many bad experiences with it including some of the teachers. As such, I challenged and was suspect of authority. I wouldn't be an asset to an authoritarian government trying to force me to believe things that I didn't. I think I'd be living my life out in the gulag or be fodder for the firing squad.



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06 Sep 2018, 3:13 pm

kokopelli wrote:
Grimdalus wrote:
As said above would a communist nation full of autistics survive longer than a NT one? Why or why not? Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.
I believe if we can collectively work as a team, working with our strengths we will be able to outperform an NT nation. The Austitic communist nation shall be abbreviated to the ASR(Austitic Socialist Republic) for easy forum reference.


Nope. The entire basis of Communism is to make the workers into slaves. You cannot build a modern nation on slavery.

The Soviet Union worked to a degree as long as it was agricultural. The more modern it became, the less well it worked. By the early 1980s, it was in a serious decline with little or no chance of improvement possible.

I strongly agree with you. Slavery is only efficient in an agricultural or medieval society but it is very inefficient in an industrialized society. Building an industrialized nation off of slavery is really inefficient. Look at North Korea and see how far behind technologically they are. It is a really big factor on how the Confederate States lost the civil war also.



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06 Sep 2018, 3:19 pm

How about an economic system where associations of employer and employee work together to benefit the nation and it's people. That would really be a revolutionary idea. Like a modern day guild system.



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06 Sep 2018, 6:12 pm

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Seeing as Marxist communism requires the abolition of the state, the USSR really isn't a good example at all.

I believe Autistics would actually do quite well in a Syndicalist economy. (Such as the CNT-FAI's revolution during the Spanish Civil War.)
The abolition of private property, automation of labour, and availability of resources would mean that Autistics would be able to pursue their special interests without the setback of the socially manipulative nature of capitalism. Instead of being told by an owner what to do, you would participate in union meetings to determine what is to be done at your place of work. And using labour notes instead of debt notes means that people who are self-employed will have a much easier time sustaining themselves.

I'm a pretty hardcore Anarcho-Syndicalist.


How would the abolition of private property benefit Autistic people? Isn't that where there house is on?



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07 Sep 2018, 10:54 am

There is no such thing as an Autistic Communist nation. Autistics knew and know how awful Communism is and how much times it failed every time it's been tried.