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12 Feb 2014, 11:01 pm

It pointless trying to reply to AspieOtaku as he is a self confessed troll and archetypical whiny MRA that will never be convinced of anything other than men are a downtrodden sub class of slaves subservient to the evil feminazis that are hellbent on being vaginally penetrated by his penis against his will.

Although i find it rather amusing that he depicts me as a cockney villain. What else, do you think i go around with a bowler hat and an umbrella while i sip a cup of tea?

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12 Feb 2014, 11:58 pm

thomas81 wrote:
It pointless trying to reply to AspieOtaku as he is a self confessed troll and archetypical whiny MRA that will never be convinced of anything other than men are a downtrodden sub class of slaves subservient to the evil feminazis that are hellbent on being vaginally penetrated by his penis against his will.

Although i find it rather amusing that he depicts me as a cockney villain. What else, do you think i go around with a bowler hat and an umbrella while i sip a cup of tea?

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Wheres this coming from? Resorting to personal attacks I see? I wasn't even trolling I just don't agree with how you seem to support inequality. Like the belief that misandry does not exist. You seem to avoid confrontation regarding proof that there are cases that males can be raped by females and dismiss it as if it never happens at all and only men do it. You shot yourself in the foot with your one sided views and did not like it!


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13 Feb 2014, 12:02 am

http://www.malesurvivor.org
http://www.justdetention.org
^ resources for male rape victims.

Rape is never ok, regardless of the genders involved.

That said, Thomas is correct that male rape victims make up a very small fraction of the total.



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13 Feb 2014, 12:28 am

LKL wrote:
http://www.malesurvivor.org
http://www.justdetention.org
^ resources for male rape victims.

Rape is never ok, regardless of the genders involved.

That said, Thomas is correct that male rape victims make up a very small fraction of the total.
True but it looks like hes saying it never happens at all!


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13 Feb 2014, 12:46 am

It happens,but most men are ashamed and don't report it so we will never really know how many it happens to.
http://www.takepart.com/feature/2014/02 ... 2014-02-12


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13 Feb 2014, 1:08 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
LKL wrote:
http://www.malesurvivor.org
http://www.justdetention.org
^ resources for male rape victims.

Rape is never ok, regardless of the genders involved.

That said, Thomas is correct that male rape victims make up a very small fraction of the total.
True but it looks like hes saying it never happens at all!


No. He literally isn't. Correctly citing statistics does not magically mean he disbelieves or doesn't care about the cases you posted. It is possible to care about more than one thing at once.



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13 Feb 2014, 2:13 am

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But there IS institutionalisation of the notion that men are permanently horny beasts who'll shag anything with tits and a pulse and who therefore must want it constantly from every woman. This leads to men who are raped not being taken seriously. It leads to cases where teenage children are molested by female teachers, and, instead of being taken seriously as victims of child abuse, people assume that they must have wanted it really.

That institution is sustained and humoured by male businessmen in order to sell sexually orientated media.

Yes, women are too involved in that industry but they are a drop in the ocean. The porno industry specifically, is dripping in testosterone in more ways than one.

They don't care who gets raped, sex sells.


It doesn't matter who's sustaining it; the problem still exists.
It's not just men who are perpetuating the notion that men are sex-crazed animals, either. Just as there are plenty of women who contribute to rape culture with slut-shaming and so forth.
"Patriarchy" does not mean "let's blame men for everything".


Also, AspieOtaku is about as much of a troll as a 10-year old who pulls girls' pigtails on the playground, and caring about men's issues does not automatically make someone evil.


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13 Feb 2014, 2:17 am

So, did no one actually click the link I provided? Cause the studies it cites show pretty clearly that men are not actually that small a percentage of rape victims. Yeah, female victims outnumber them by a lot. But going by the numbers in those studies (this is a rough estimate of the average) men victimised by women make up somewhere around 20-30% of the total of sexual assault victims. Add men victimised by men and that number gets higher.

Again, female victims outnumber male ones considerably. And if one wishes to focus on female victims because that is where their sympathies lie, then so be it. But the percentage of male victims is not statistically insignificant, and to claim that it is is simply false and unfair to those who've experienced it. I find it sad that people who claim to be so strongly anti-rape feel the need to try to silence so many of the victims of it.


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13 Feb 2014, 2:36 am

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http://www.malesurvivor.org
http://www.justdetention.org


I'd just like to caution people about male survivor. I won't go into detail about it but I'd really reccomend that people read up on them, their policies and especially who they provide support for before dealing with them or (especially) using their message board, or there might be some extremely unpleasant surprises.

Their heart is in the right place, but some of the decisions they've made are questionable.


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13 Feb 2014, 5:41 am

If men were oppressed on a grand scale it would be no different than how women are oppressed. Due to patriarchy and rape culture women continue to be oppressed raped and treated as second class citizens while at the same time encourages the vilification and fear of men.


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13 Feb 2014, 8:04 am

thomas81 wrote:
What else, do you think i go around with a bowler hat and an umbrella while i sip a cup of tea?


Sounds like fun. Might go good with brass round frame glasses, and a brown chaulk stripe suit set.
Add on black leather gloves, and an Aston Martin, I'd look stylin'!
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13 Feb 2014, 10:21 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
LKL wrote:
http://www.malesurvivor.org
http://www.justdetention.org
^ resources for male rape victims.

Rape is never ok, regardless of the genders involved.

That said, Thomas is correct that male rape victims make up a very small fraction of the total.
True but it looks like hes saying it never happens at all!

its not my claim, my grievance is with trying to homogenise the two in order to deter from the fact that male on female rape is part of a broader tradition of oppression.


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13 Feb 2014, 10:39 am

thomas81 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
LKL wrote:
http://www.malesurvivor.org
http://www.justdetention.org
^ resources for male rape victims.

Rape is never ok, regardless of the genders involved.

That said, Thomas is correct that male rape victims make up a very small fraction of the total.
True but it looks like hes saying it never happens at all!

its not my claim, my grievance is with trying to homogenise the two in order to deter from the fact that male on female rape is part of a broader tradition of oppression.
Well to be fair I wasnt intending to get you to be distracted from the fact women do get raped more often than men and pay full attention to an issue that doesnt happen as often, I wasnt trying to troll you either it was just to me it looked like you were saying we shouldn't care about that. I am actually being serious for once, I can do that you know whether you think im capable of that or not is up to you before you plan on slinging any other passive aggressive insults my way.


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13 Feb 2014, 12:43 pm

thomas81 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
LKL wrote:
http://www.malesurvivor.org
http://www.justdetention.org
^ resources for male rape victims.

Rape is never ok, regardless of the genders involved.

That said, Thomas is correct that male rape victims make up a very small fraction of the total.
True but it looks like hes saying it never happens at all!

its not my claim, my grievance is with trying to homogenise the two in order to deter from the fact that male on female rape is part of a broader tradition of oppression.


No one here is trying to deter any fact from reaching anyone's ears but you.

Institutions? Do you blame hospitals for people dieing inside the hospital when
they've been shot as well?
The rapists are guilty, not the institution. You don't see the capitol building humping
a brothel building do you? I'm pretty sure the page on women's rights in our constitution
doesn't have sex with the page about men.

And you claimed I am "Against the consent of the collective".
How can you be for it if you choose to ignore the rape of men?


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13 Feb 2014, 1:15 pm

appletheclown wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
LKL wrote:
http://www.malesurvivor.org
http://www.justdetention.org
^ resources for male rape victims.

Rape is never ok, regardless of the genders involved.

That said, Thomas is correct that male rape victims make up a very small fraction of the total.
True but it looks like hes saying it never happens at all!

its not my claim, my grievance is with trying to homogenise the two in order to deter from the fact that male on female rape is part of a broader tradition of oppression.


No one here is trying to deter any fact from reaching anyone's ears but you.

Institutions? Do you blame hospitals for people dieing inside the hospital when
they've been shot as well?
The rapists are guilty, not the institution. You don't see the capitol building humping
a brothel building do you? I'm pretty sure the page on women's rights in our constitution
doesn't have sex with the page about men.

And you claimed I am "Against the consent of the collective".
How can you be for it if you choose to ignore the rape of men?


If you want an example of institutional guilt, the U.S. Military is a prime example. Thousands of cases every single year. There have been hearings, of course, but nobody's legitimately doing anything about it.



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13 Feb 2014, 1:18 pm

I have to run to an appointment, so I am tagging this conversation for till later. but sure, I can throw in my two pence.