Can you make assumptions in science?

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David do you ever tire of coming across as a fool. You are claiming that somehow my statement and evidence on entropy removes it from the nature and breaks all the Laws, yet you give no indication how.

Posting a link about falsifiability does not explain anything. But then this is your method of debate, all you do is make unsubstantiated claims about people, science and evidence supporting the science but never do you actually provide any evidence of your own to back up what you are claiming. I can only assume that this is because you either have know idea what you are talking about or that you know you cannot defend your claims. Either way the way you carry on is pathetic.

David I am astonished by your lack of even the most basic of understanding of what constitutes evidence as well as subjective vs objective knowledge, not to mention the use of assumptions. Is the brainwashing that pervasive that you cannot see when you are making absolutely no sense? Do you realise that you consistently refuse to explain your fast held beliefs when presented with rational rebuttal? Do you realise that you simply reiterate the speaker was wrong and give no supporting evidence why? Are you aware that most of your arguments actually prove you wrong or highlight your errant debating style eg Assumptions and Falsifiability?

I guess not, as Narrator put it, you do not seem to have much self awareness.

Narrator out of interest, do you recognize some of these traits from you old self?

You guys should go get a beer or something.

That's the way it was in the old days. People having intense discussions over beer, wine, drugs. They argue it out, but bear no grudge later.

I hope this is the case--I hope you guys become friends. You'd make a good team.

With my old self, belief trumped everything, including integrity.

We didn't have the Internet, during my active Christian years. But we did have Christian books on every topic.

The advantage of the Internet is that you can read one thing and then find another site that challenges that view.
The disadvantage of the Internet is that you can read one thing and then find another site that challenges that view.

And...... I agree with Mr Kortie.. it's beer-o-clock, guys.

You may find this trivial but I do not. Too many times history has shown the result of the subjugation of knowledge and science to the warped ideas of believers in the supernatural. David may seem innocuous in his belittling of science and its findings, but you need to look at the broader picture. David is represented by a broad array of like minded people and the more their message takes hold, the harder it will be to counter it.

Unlike many on this forum I support the concept of free speech and expression, but with that comes a responsibility to speak out against ideas and lies that you perceive as dangerous, offensive, manipulative etc.

I realise that I will never change his mind, but at least anyone who is unsure about the "science" he is presenting will see an effective, example based, rebuttal. So if its ok with you, I will continue to address what I see as David's attempts to obfuscate, lie and mislead.

LOL...You don't think I support free speech?

Sometimes, I think David's merely trying to pull your leg.

No I did not say that. I have no idea on your position regarding free speech. Many on here claim to support it but then apply caveats to limit it, these are the people I am referring to.

Regarding David it would be nice to think he is simply trolling, but I don't think he is. As Narrator has pointed out his ideology and behaviour reminds him of how he once was.

Some of the greatest friendships have been borne of intellectual rivalry.

I wish David could talk about the trials and tribulations of being a cattle rancher. I would find that interesting.

Even though much of the substance within PPR happens to be interesting.

I agree, but intellectual rivalry leading to friendship, at least as far as I am concerned, must be accompanied by some level of intellectual honesty. I perceive David has shown non in his comments thus far. As such there are far more interesting rivals that I would like to share a nice glass of wine and a good meal with.

Good ole David.....he is overly staunch in his opinions, despite evidence to the contrary.

Who knows? When all is said and done, maybe David might reflect a little bit on what's been said here. He wouldn't be able to admit it within this thread, though.

I, for one, do not turn a blind eye to evidence at eye level.

I'm pretty poor at social stuff, but since maybe 25-ish, I haven't met an adversary that I couldn't find something to like in them. And odd as you may think it, I like this one too. Although, because I live closer to Kiwiland than he does, he may struggle to reciprocate.

You bods can get as sanctimonious as you like; it will not make me forget or ignore all the natural science and philosophy I've been practically obsessed with for many years... ever since I was logically forced, kicking and screaming, into the exact opposite journey Narrator describes of himself.

So far we haven't even come to a logical assessment that any kind of science is even possible, let alone what it is and how it works. You insist that science is not science unless it is convenient to your ideological assumptions.

Anyhow*, beer seems a much more pleasant way to pass the time... I'll get stuck into it immediately.

You're dead right! Melbourne is much too close to Kiwiland for my liking.

The Ceduna pub then

Cocos Islands a better option, I think.

Hmm.. some interesting facts...

IN the last year, generally speaking, as a rule, in REAL LIFE, I AM illustrating real life examples of human behavior no one has encountered before, per their own words, not mine.

So according to HUMAN BEHAVIORAL life, by the scientific method alone, MY BEHAVIOR DOES NOT EXIST, AS I AM AN EXPERIMENT THAT SO FAR CANNOT BE REPEATED, by ways of human behavior.

Trust me, the anecdotal evidence of ME, per my behavior IN DANCE, IN REAL LIFE, recorded ON LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF FACEBOOK pages, by others, NOT ME, is real, although no one has been able to test the current experiment that is me, PER MY DANCE BEHAVIOR, by the SCIENTIFIC METHOD, AS NO one can duplicate my DANCE behavior TO DATE.

OK, LET's GET REAL, I am, perhaps, one of many extreme examples of unique and eccentric human behavior in ACTION, which can be recorded, to prove THE 'weird' BEHAVIOR EXISTS, AS UNIQUE, AND not repeated, so far, in human behavior, measured as such by the so-called SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

BUT TO SOME degree, all human behavior, and humans in general, are unique experiments that CANNOT EVER BE repeated precisely PER ANY SO-CALLED SCIENTIFIC METHOD that currently exists.

So science works pretty cool, for somethings in life, like the speed of light, and all of that.

BUT humans are much more complex in POTENTIAL FOR HUMAN creativity, than science CAN MEASURE NOW, AND REPEAT, AND THAT'S A FACT.

SCIENCE, is horribly limited when it comes to the greatest mystery of human, and that is human itself, particularly the magicK that comes with HUMAN creativity, when FULLER TAPPED AND EXPRESSED, TO THE dismay of the objectivist NAYSAYERS in life, who are simply living in robotic ways of systemizing life, outside of them, PER CULTURAL ILLUSIONS, instead of tapping the true creative potential that EXISTS WITHIN HUMANS, WHEN tapped as such, by whatever 'aRtistic', AS OPPOSED to 'aUtisitc' method THAT works!.. per Simon Baron Cohen, talk (reasoning.. systemizing.. robotic MIND vs. creative.. artistic.. empathic MIND).

Perhaps, the most fascinating factor of this particular forum is watching systemizers try to make the art of philosophy into a science.

It JUST WILL NOT WORK, unless one is talking about science and science alone.

Philosophy is art and science, not science alone.

And that is just PHILOSOPHY 101, FOR THOSE WHO REALLY GET IT.

AND SOME folks cannot, per innate and/or environmental factors, as the case studies do 'clinically' provide evidence for here.

And sorry, I do not drink, I dance instead.

FREE STYLE INTEPRETIVE DANCE (not so much the dancing with the stars science type) does the same thing BASIC THINGY for releasing PENT UP SILLY HUMAN EMOTIONS, PER ANGER AND other more nuanced human emotions, PERHAPS, IN part, for some folks, as a consequence of a LIFETIME OF BEING OSTRACIZED, and generally not yet, being able to figure out the greatest mystery AND MASTERY, per ART and SCIENCE IN life, in being able to balance one's own mind and body, for simple human animal homeostasis THAT really smart wild animals enjoy, as the mainstay of life IN NOW.

And that's the whole IDEA THINGY behind THE ART AND SCIENCE OF PHILOSOPHY, PER BALANCING THE ART AND SCIENCE OF HUMAN LIFE, AS IS NOW in mind and body balance.

And UNTIL ONE FIGURES THAT OUT, this ain't EVEN PHILOSOPHY 101, DUDES, with or without a beer, or TRUE DANCE OF LIFE IN ART AND SCIENCE BALANCED AS SUCH.

And without taking physical intelligence, which science does now show drives both physical and emotional intelligence AND SENSORY INTEGRATION, into fuller ACCOUNT IN BOTH PRINCIPLE AND REAL LIFE EFFECT AND AFFECT, PHILOSOPHY WILL continue to be ineffective as it has been in the past.

Including the science that now shows that LUST IS THE CORE human attribute that underlies the true POWER OF HUMAN CREATIVITY AND PRODUCTIVITY.

OUR 'VICTORIAN' cultures of the past and the present, still leave the philosophy of physical and sexual intelligence untapped.

It shows clear in the number of philosophy of ART human formed male nude RENAISSANCE statues where the penises ARE removed by chisels to hide THE FRIGGING SIMPLE TRUTH OF LIFE that we AS HUMAN BEINGS are AT CORE CREATIVE PASSIONATE animals, and not a frigging SCIENCE PROJECT ALONE, DESIGNED BY A PRUDE, INSTEAD OF A PASSIONATE LIVING GOD AS MOTHER NATURE TRUE!

SO SAD TO CUT THE PENISES OFF (or at least 20% of them [circumcision]) AND MUTILATE THE VAGINAS (FGM) OF GOD.

Humans, overall, are FRIGGING INSANE, as a result of modern cultures that repress, oppress, and subjugate FREE ART OF HUMAN NATURE/CREATIVITY, BY ways of illusory fears for MATERIAL RATHER THAN true human CREATIVE GAIN through INNATE HUMAN NATURE more fully expressed AS ARTISTIC ways, instead of 'Zombie Apocalypse' ways alone, as one CAN SEE MORE CLEARLY in culture as it goes AS IS NOW, overall.