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09 Jan 2015, 6:11 pm

Jules_Bonnot_1912 wrote:

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They can become accepted if they learn the skills that will get others to like them, anyone can. It's easier for them than it is for their parents.

You have no idea how they get shut out ... for instance: if they try to apply for a job and the applicant tells his/her Arab-sounding name, they don't stand a chance ... It's not blatant racism, but the latent racism!

And about their parents: no it isn't. Those people got 'accepted' (tolerated) because they were only supposed to return to their country of origin once the work was done. But they actually adepted more ... they are also puzzled why there more nikabs/burkas in the streets. They didn't wear them ...

Tell me where they are applying. Many corporations have lots of competition and a lot of people have a tough time finding work. It could take a while for anyone, just keep at it. If it is a part time job or something all they have to do is keep calling until they get the job. Persistence pays. Better to stay here and keep trying than go join some fanatical, dangerous group. If they keep trying, they will be successful. Key is to not get discouraged and give up. :wink:

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09 Jan 2015, 6:18 pm

Jules_Bonnot_1912 wrote:

When my grandparents came to the US, they changed their last name to a common "American" name to help them blend in better.

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09 Jan 2015, 6:23 pm

@ ~Ana~: Lol ... you must be a real optimist!

I'm Dutch and work(ed) with a lot of foreign people (as co-worker and teacher). I know that the first generation of foreign labourers were hardworking men who wanted their kids to have it better than they did. But the next generation has never been able to cash in on that promise ...

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09 Jan 2015, 6:24 pm

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When my grandparents came to the US, they changed their last name to a common "American" name to help them blend in better.

That may be an easy thing to do there, but here it's not ...

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09 Jan 2015, 6:59 pm

Jules_Bonnot_1912 wrote:

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When my grandparents came to the US, they changed their last name to a common "American" name to help them blend in better.

That may be an easy thing to do there, but here it's not ...

Why not?

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09 Jan 2015, 7:00 pm

The rules are much different here ... unless you have a good reason, you can change your name. But it'll cost you ...

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09 Jan 2015, 7:07 pm

Jules_Bonnot_1912 wrote:

The rules are much different here ... unless you have a good reason, you can change your name. But it'll cost you ...

I read once that France was quite nice about permitting people with non-French names to change their names to a French name.

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09 Jan 2015, 7:20 pm

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The rules are much different here ... unless you have a good reason, you can change your name. But it'll cost you ...

I read once that France was quite nice about permitting people with non-French names to change their names to a French name.

I don't see why you would need to change your name and hide your identity. Why not just be friendly and persistent? That seems to be a winning combination for most.

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09 Jan 2015, 7:29 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

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Jules_Bonnot_1912 wrote:

The rules are much different here ... unless you have a good reason, you can change your name. But it'll cost you ...

I read once that France was quite nice about permitting people with non-French names to change their names to a French name.

I don't see why you would need to change your name and hide your identity. Why not just be friendly and persistent? That seems to be a winning combination for most.

Changing your name is not hiding your identity.

But it can help you to assimilate into your new culture. If you move somewhere and don't want to participate in the new culture, then why not just stay home where you are more comfortable.

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09 Jan 2015, 7:41 pm

eric76 wrote:

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eric76 wrote:

Jules_Bonnot_1912 wrote:

The rules are much different here ... unless you have a good reason, you can change your name. But it'll cost you ...

I read once that France was quite nice about permitting people with non-French names to change their names to a French name.

I don't see why you would need to change your name and hide your identity. Why not just be friendly and persistent? That seems to be a winning combination for most.

You do not need to change a name to assimilate into a new "culture." Just what is your idea of an American name anyway? My Grandfather is an immigrant from an eastern European country and he never changed his name and we are totally American. I have never been to Europe. So, why should I go live someplace I never even visited just because my grandfather didn't feel the need to change his last name?

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09 Jan 2015, 7:55 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

eric76 wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

eric76 wrote:

Jules_Bonnot_1912 wrote:

The rules are much different here ... unless you have a good reason, you can change your name. But it'll cost you ...

I read once that France was quite nice about permitting people with non-French names to change their names to a French name.

I don't see why you would need to change your name and hide your identity. Why not just be friendly and persistent? That seems to be a winning combination for most.

Please concentrate on reading comprehension.

I didn't say that you needed to change your name to assimilate into a new culture. What I said was that it can help. And nobody has suggested that you should move someplace else because of your name. Changing his name may or may not have helped your grandfather assimilate, but you are presumably already assimilated so at this point it wouldn't be likely to help you.

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09 Jan 2015, 9:06 pm

Someone at the New Yorker has been thinking carefully about how not to offend:

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09 Jan 2015, 9:19 pm

I can get enough satire about religion, the more offensive (to religious people) the better. Who's that guy on the other side of the glory hole? It's Jesus.

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10 Jan 2015, 12:05 am

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the cartoons themselves are racist. How does that work, exactly? I saw plenty of cartoons like that but I cannot reference them in this forum due to guidelines so you will have to Google Charlie Hebdo and they will appear in Google images.

You cannot reference them because they do not exist.

Oh yes they do. That is blatant misinformation to say they do not exist. Anyone that has ever Googled the name of the magazine has seen them unless you have filters on your browser to keep out graphic images.

Sorry, but I literally laughed out loud when I read what you typed because you either never Googled Charlie Hebdo or you have your browser filtered, not sure which, or you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

I'd say it's hilarious that you've resorted to attempting to mock (somewhat oafishly) what you evidently do not understand, but it's not. It's actually rather sad.

If you want to make claims of racism against the victims of a terrorist attack in order to demonstrate that they somehow deserved to die, you had better be able to provide some concrete evidence. But, as I stated already, you are unable to reference because they do not exist.

The irony here is that you have nothing to gain from calling them racists, ergo you yourself are guilty of the supposed crime of insulting for the sake of insulting.

For clarification, and regardless of what you or anyone else has claimed in this thread:

Islam is not a race.
Muslim is not a nationality.

Clearly you need some MST.

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10 Jan 2015, 3:46 am

Words don't kill people, people do.

If you feel you have justification to kill people based on words, you need to rethink your belief system.

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10 Jan 2015, 3:51 am

Adamantium wrote:

Someone at the New Yorker has been thinking carefully about how not to offend:

Best cartoon I've seen all year.

But the year is only 10 days in, so that's probably not saying much.

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