14 Mar 2015, 2:23 pm
Narrator wrote:
Umm just for us non-americans, could you, like, explain things like SAE in future. From your post, I interpreted it as a fraternity thing, so I Googled SAE fraternity and got the answer. So, if you're worried about excluding black people, what about excluding the rest of the world too? 
The OP should not even assume that all Americans(let alone the whole world) know what SAE is?
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14 Mar 2015, 2:29 pm
slave wrote:
Narrator wrote:
Umm just for us non-americans, could you, like, explain things like SAE in future. From your post, I interpreted it as a fraternity thing, so I Googled SAE fraternity and got the answer. So, if you're worried about excluding black people, what about excluding the rest of the world too?
The OP should not even assume that all Americans(let alone the whole world) know what SAE is?
Maybe I was filtering for informed responses...
14 Mar 2015, 2:37 pm
GoonSquad wrote:
slave wrote:
Narrator wrote:
Umm just for us non-americans, could you, like, explain things like SAE in future. From your post, I interpreted it as a fraternity thing, so I Googled SAE fraternity and got the answer. So, if you're worried about excluding black people, what about excluding the rest of the world too?
The OP should not even assume that all Americans(let alone the whole world) know what SAE is?
Maybe I was filtering for informed responses...
touche
nicely played
14 Mar 2015, 2:42 pm
slave wrote:
Narrator wrote:
Umm just for us non-americans, could you, like, explain things like SAE in future. From your post, I interpreted it as a fraternity thing, so I Googled SAE fraternity and got the answer. So, if you're worried about excluding black people, what about excluding the rest of the world too?
The OP should not even assume that all Americans(let alone the whole world) know what SAE is?
Their website explains it pretty well.
http://www.sae.net/
Reading more about this fraternity, I definitely agree, they should do what it takes to keep the integrity of their organization in tact. At the OU chapter integrity is clearly lacking. Let's get back to being True Gentlemen because that sounds pretty good.
14 Mar 2015, 2:50 pm
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wowiexist wrote:
Fine I will just be done with this conversation. You can deny what I am saying is true if you would like. Blacks can keep playing the race card as far as I am concerned. It isn't going to help them in the long run though.
Forgive me for giving actual research more weight than your anecdotes.... It's just one of my irrational biases, I guess.
I think your own research is just the only research you pay attention to. Like when I said black people statistically commit more crime you just pretty much accused me of being a racist.
14 Mar 2015, 2:54 pm
wowiexist wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
Fine I will just be done with this conversation. You can deny what I am saying is true if you would like. Blacks can keep playing the race card as far as I am concerned. It isn't going to help them in the long run though.
Forgive me for giving actual research more weight than your anecdotes.... It's just one of my irrational biases, I guess.
I think your own research is just the only research you pay attention to. Like when I said black people statistically commit more crime you just pretty much accused me of being a racist.
It's gang bangers that commit a lot of crimes, with the illegal drug trade. Men in college, although not perfect, statistically are the least likely to commit crimes.
If you are going to pledge a fraternity, should the ideals of said fraternity be in your heart or don't bother pledging? Clearly, the SAE ideals are lacking at OU at the moment. I issue a challenge to all those hard hearted alumni. PLEASE HONOR THE TRUE GENTLEMAN EXPERIENCE!
Because if you refuse, what's the point? Why are you even participating in SAE? You refuse to conform to the integrity of the organization, then do not be a part of it.
14 Mar 2015, 3:08 pm
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
Fine I will just be done with this conversation. You can deny what I am saying is true if you would like. Blacks can keep playing the race card as far as I am concerned. It isn't going to help them in the long run though.
Forgive me for giving actual research more weight than your anecdotes.... It's just one of my irrational biases, I guess.
I think your own research is just the only research you pay attention to. Like when I said black people statistically commit more crime you just pretty much accused me of being a racist.
It's gang bangers that commit a lot of crimes, with the illegal drug trade. Men in college, although not perfect, statistically are the least likely to commit crimes.
I understand that there are other factors, but when someone is investigating a crime sometimes they have to make assumptions. I saw a story about a serial killer on the loose and they were only looking at while guys because 95% of serial killers are while males. They turned out to be wrong in that case, but 95% of the time they would have been right. Or like when a child gets murdered the first thing investigators usually do is question the registered sex offenders in the area, because that is the most likely person to have committed the crime. If a police officer works in a neighborhood in which almost all of the crime is committed by a particular race then he will be more likely to suspect someone of that race.
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14 Mar 2015, 3:14 pm
wowiexist wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
Fine I will just be done with this conversation. You can deny what I am saying is true if you would like. Blacks can keep playing the race card as far as I am concerned. It isn't going to help them in the long run though.
Forgive me for giving actual research more weight than your anecdotes.... It's just one of my irrational biases, I guess.
I think your own research is just the only research you pay attention to. Like when I said black people statistically commit more crime you just pretty much accused me of being a racist.
No, I did not accuse you of being racist. The sad fact is, nearly 25% of all black males will be arrested at some point.
What I did was ask you to consider why* that might be--a question that goes to the heart of this thread and many problems we have today, in places like Ferguson Mo., Memphis TN. Savannah, GA....
That's all.
*When men think something is true, IT IS TRUE in it's consequence.
14 Mar 2015, 3:16 pm
wowiexist wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
Fine I will just be done with this conversation. You can deny what I am saying is true if you would like. Blacks can keep playing the race card as far as I am concerned. It isn't going to help them in the long run though.
Forgive me for giving actual research more weight than your anecdotes.... It's just one of my irrational biases, I guess.
I think your own research is just the only research you pay attention to. Like when I said black people statistically commit more crime you just pretty much accused me of being a racist.
It's gang bangers that commit a lot of crimes, with the illegal drug trade. Men in college, although not perfect, statistically are the least likely to commit crimes.
I understand that there are other factors, but when someone is investigating a crime sometimes they have to make assumptions. I saw a story about a serial killer on the loose and they were only looking at while guys because 95% of serial killers are while males. They turned out to be wrong in that case, but 95% of the time they would have been right. Or like when a child gets murdered the first thing investigators usually do is question the registered sex offenders in the area, because that is the most likely person to have committed the crime. If a police officer works in a neighborhood in which almost all of the crime is committed by a particular race then he will be more likely to suspect someone of that race.
Even though there's assaults and sometimes petty larceny on campuses, all and all, they are a pretty good bunch, regardless of their gender, race, economic status. They all pretty much have the goal of graduating and going on to a profession. It is a dream for people from the lower economic statuses so they don't want to mess it up by committing stupid crimes. College is like a safe haven for such people who have worked so hard to break the bondage of poverty and these people deserve to be treated with integrity. SAE website says YES we will treat people with the integrity they deserve. Can't you see that?
SAE, when put into practice, doesn't sound bad at all. Sounds like a positive environment in a world where that is often lacking and not the norm.
14 Mar 2015, 3:24 pm
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
Fine I will just be done with this conversation. You can deny what I am saying is true if you would like. Blacks can keep playing the race card as far as I am concerned. It isn't going to help them in the long run though.
Forgive me for giving actual research more weight than your anecdotes.... It's just one of my irrational biases, I guess.
I think your own research is just the only research you pay attention to. Like when I said black people statistically commit more crime you just pretty much accused me of being a racist.
It's gang bangers that commit a lot of crimes, with the illegal drug trade. Men in college, although not perfect, statistically are the least likely to commit crimes.
I understand that there are other factors, but when someone is investigating a crime sometimes they have to make assumptions. I saw a story about a serial killer on the loose and they were only looking at while guys because 95% of serial killers are while males. They turned out to be wrong in that case, but 95% of the time they would have been right. Or like when a child gets murdered the first thing investigators usually do is question the registered sex offenders in the area, because that is the most likely person to have committed the crime. If a police officer works in a neighborhood in which almost all of the crime is committed by a particular race then he will be more likely to suspect someone of that race.
Even though there's assaults and sometimes petty larceny on campuses, all and all, they are a pretty good bunch, regardless of their gender, race, economic status. They all pretty much have the goal of graduating and going on to a profession. It is a dream for people from the lower economic statuses so they don't want to mess it up by committing stupid crimes. College is like a safe haven for such people who have worked so hard to break the bondage of poverty and these people deserve to be treated with integrity. SAE website says YES we will treat people with the integrity they deserve. Can't you see that?
SAE, when put into practice, doesn't sound bad at all. Sounds like a positive environment in a world where that is often lacking and not the norm.
Sorry I think I just misunderstood you. I wasn't trying to say that they should be allowed to be racist at all and I think the two men deserved what they got. They were just spoiled rich kids who thought they were invincible and needed to be put in their place.
14 Mar 2015, 3:34 pm
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14 Mar 2015, 4:05 pm
GoonSquad wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
wowiexist wrote:
Fine I will just be done with this conversation. You can deny what I am saying is true if you would like. Blacks can keep playing the race card as far as I am concerned. It isn't going to help them in the long run though.
Forgive me for giving actual research more weight than your anecdotes.... It's just one of my irrational biases, I guess.
I think your own research is just the only research you pay attention to. Like when I said black people statistically commit more crime you just pretty much accused me of being a racist.
No, I did not accuse you of being racist. The sad fact is, nearly 25% of all black males will be arrested at some point.
What I did was ask you to consider why* that might be--a question that goes to the heart of this thread and many problems we have today, in places like Ferguson Mo., Memphis TN. Savannah, GA....
That's all.
*When men think something is true, IT IS TRUE in it's consequence.
PS
If you cannot even entertain this as a possibility, it was probably Jiminy Cricket that was calling you a racist...
14 Mar 2015, 4:26 pm
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14 Mar 2015, 4:37 pm
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14 Mar 2015, 4:43 pm
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Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Last I checked, there wasn't any golden rule on the books, but the 1st amendment still applies.
The first amendment applies to the government, not to private organizations that have set rules about acceptable speech and behavior.
It's a public university, it applies.
That's actually a valid point I hadn't considered. Still doesn't change the fact that they're a bunch of racist pricks.
Actually, it is not a good point at all.
Let's be clear here. NOBODY is depriving these students of their right to free speech.
These students and this fraternity were sanctioned because of the manner in which they expressed themselves.
Using racial slurs and singing gleefully about murdering people rather than allowing them to join your fraternity is obscene, inflammatory, and therefore not worthy of protection.
What's more, a state university's primary purpose in to educate ALL students regardless of class, race, etc.
Obscene, inflammatory, behavior is disruptive and makes the university's primary purpose impossible. This is why all universities have a code of student conduct. These students clearly violated that code, and that's why they are being punished.
If they feel that strongly about their racism, they are still free to talk about it as much as they like.... However, if they continue to use the word n****r and their speech causes disruptions, or they continue to advocate murder by hanging, I'm betting they'll have more problems... Free speech is not consequence free.
Trying to twist this into a first amendment issue is just asinine.
You made me see the light Bro' Goon! Hallelujah!
