Josh Duggar and Ashley Madison.

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Yes yes that's all fine so long as there's no kids involved but if he can stay with someone long enough to create four kids, he can stay with her until those kids are older. Do not make excuses for it. He can do it.

Absolute rubbish. Whilst his hypocricy is amusing, no one should be forced to endure a relationship simply because of the children. Children are not the property of their parents but are members of a community of humans and our collective responsibility. If they suffer as a consequence of the community being dysfunctional, a dysfunctional family is not going to improve the situation. A healthy society breeds healthy consensual relationships and healthy children.

This blinkered mentality of yours is why abuse is as high as it is in families. Thus the kids suffer, are beaten and sexually abused as the miserble parents seek to make surrogates of them.

This is primitive thinking and we are a conscious species.

So, you are one of the ones who doesn't believe a child has a right to a nurturing environment, which is easiest for their birth family to provide, if the two parties are mature enough to figure that out? It is not a blinker mentality I am demonstrating, it is giving a voice to all the children who are deprived of their right to a family. Saying they have a right to this is not saying they should endure abuse. If you advocate depriving them of the opportunity to have a nurturing family, you are advocating the worst kind of child abuse but in our society we have been programmed to believe nurturing and family are not necessary for childhood when, if you look at how all baby mammals are raised, it's with profound and intensive nurturing. So, it's very necessary. Why would you think humans do not require it?
Why would you not insist parents should be able to provide it, as a prerequisite for being parents?
Are you one of the ones who are always wondering why there are so many social ills?
The worse thing you can do to a child is to keep them from experiencing this kind of environment. The effects can be profound and last a lifetime. It can mean the difference between someone who can function and someone who cannot. The ones who will suffer most over what these parents are doing are their four kids.

When young children are involved and with appropriate intervention and counseling, most family environments can be optimized for the sake of the children, resulting in the parents staying together to provide a nurture filled existence which will provide a lifetime of emotional and psychological benefits. Since many of these parents haven't had the opportunity to experience nurturing themselves, they will need to be taught these skills.

Most of human society is run on religious prescription...America in the West is probably one of the worst Western culprits and probably shares the same spot with the likes of Saudi Arabia. However, New Zealand is only marginally better when it comes to this this notion that locking a child away in a family somehow makes that nurturing and good....when the figures regarding the treatment of girls for example at home, all across the world, says something else.

Add to that these recidivist hypocrites such as Duggar (we have our versions of the Duggars in New Zealand) who stand these family values on their heads and the complete isolation of children within the family hides a multitide of sins.

We cant wash our hands of the kids in our societies by hiding them in nuclear families and hoping that these problems will not surface. Why did Duggar for all his family values upbringing as a child start so young on the path of his sexual rebellion. That is a more pertinent question. In addition, what made him choose to hide as he did.

These are big picture issues that go to the vary foundations of what it is to be a sentient and self aware species. Sound bytes are no solution. is But yeah, Duggar is the universal hypocrite in hiding only to surface in next weeks story.

Not about religion. It's about Josh Duggar and Danica Dillon preying on Josh's four children. I sincerely hope Josh will think about the pain and trauma it will cause them and preserve his children's right to a family and nurturing so they can have the best chance to grow up healthy and strong.

Some concepts transcend all religions, creeds and customs and are simply intrinsic to a species and part of their survival. All humans share this need despite who they are or their religion, along with food and shelter.

We live in a badly damaged society where children have to pay the cost. The damage will be past down the generations. I cannot say my own two boys grew up without any damage at all. My ex-wife suffered incest, so that is four of us paying for that. We stayed together as long as we could but the pressures were considerable. There were no other people involved between us.

I get the impression that fame and celebrity comes at a high price. Did Josh have a beautiful woman coming on him? In any case he seems to have been in he wrong place where it might happen. Its just as well I was never loaded with money, fame and good looks. I would probably have had the self discipline to stay away, but who knows for sure. I don't feel comfortable making a judgement.

Incest is another form of abuse that isn't adequately addressed which is often the case for all forms of child abuse, including the dissolution of the primary family unit. Children and their rights are undervalued. I think they should be allowed to vote, then maybe they would have their rights and needs protected because sometimes, adults do not protect them. They are too wrapped up in themselves, likely due to multiple generations where the nurturing skills were not passed down to the offspring, to understand the needs of their children and the culture feeds this and does little to address it. So you have generations of adults who feel as if they can never get enough or are satisfied, perhaps prone to depression, inner longing and restlessness. Perhaps it's the nurturing bond with a parent they crave and never had, so their subconscious works to fulfill this need only it's never fulfilled because a window existed in a developmental stage where it was required yet lacking. It's expected, adults will do what they want and nothing they do can ever damage their kids. That seems to be the attitude, along with this horrible misconception children are, for the most part, spoiled and ungrateful. It's not a matter of spoiling them, but nurturing them, and this doesn't require an excess of material things, just time and energy which are the most precious resources. It's not how many cell phones you can buy them but actually being there, as a source of nurturing but then someone comes along and devalues it by saying it's sexist to expect women to nurture their kids. Women and men, both, are responsible but the woman does give birth to them and like many mammal species, the female is the primary caregiver. It's just nature that determines it - evolution, so take it out on that if you want to place blame for something that appears sexist, which I don't believe is. Long ago, circumstances determined, in most mammalian species, the female would be the one who can nurture the offspring and so that's how mammals evolved and yet factions of humans will say it's sexist and oppressive and blah blah blah. Well. No it's not. It's survival.

Josh pursued some porn star to the detriment of his family and there's really no excuse for it. His wife, underneath her clothing, is the same as Danica Dillon. Same anatomical structure. Why is it certain men do not seem to understand that all the women are the same, you already impregnated one woman four times so just stay with her until the kids are grown? Give them an opportunity to experience what mammals in the wild do, nurturing. If you notice, animals seem to receive more from their parents than humans, in some cases. Honor the rights of your own children. Why would you devalue your own like that? It's completely illogical, evolutionary speaking, to NOT put your own children first because they are extensions of yourself and will carry your dna into the future. When people cannot see this, it suggests there's a profound breakdown in a species.

Ana, I agree we have a major breakdown in our society and very few people seem to care. People seem to think its all a good thing. In my own case my ex-wife used me as a kind of surrogate making me suffer for what her father and other men had done to her as a child. She told me that at a later date. I am told by my sons she is now happy in a civil partnership with another woman.

I think it is very cruel toward Anna to suggest that she must stay with Josh for the sake of her children.
Do you think it will be healthy for the children to grow up with a miserable doormat of a mother?
Not to mention the fact that Josh has a history of incestuous child molestation.

The Duggar children do not need a faulty parent to preserve his legacy which was no doubt handed down to him in his upbringing, they need the support of those of us in society with our marbles together...despite being labelled autistic, I consider myself more capable at the logic level than my detractors. I see things as they are and this generational abuse of kids is not being tackled as it should be....The child protection services in both our countries run on similar principles which is to hold the family together regardless and that is wrong and typical of governments that are only concerned with dollars.

Obviously if Josh is capable of being mended from his own messed up childhood, then the parenting issues naturally follow. But putting the kids in the care of this man is simply putting them at risk to their own sanity. He is unfit until he can prove otherwise.

If you honestly believe "society" is going to swoop in and take the place of a nurturing family you are the one with blinkers. IT HAS TO BE THE PARENTS and society should get the parents to the point they can do it. I am not saying give Josh or anyone a free pass to abuse their kids but keep in mind, destroying a kid's family is one of the worst forms of abuse they can endure. So, it is not society's job to take the place of Josh and Anna, it's our job to INSIST Josh and Anna provide a safe and nurturing environment for their kids and work toward that goal.

Easier said than done. The problem is even if Josh is able to maintain any unwanted sexual urges he has he is still going to end up harming his children in other more subtle ways as ways of compensating for those urges. It is an inescapable fact that a known child molester is going to have a negative effect on his children. Sadly.

Not sure foster care is any better though. Perhaps worse.

Well yes, if it's true Josh Duggar is out of control he needs help but the answer is not for him to forgo his familiar duties. It's to work on getting that help then fulfilling his role as a father.

With a dysfunctional human society and family in just about every country I can think of...by degrees granted....is it any wonder that we have the problems we do with kids and with the cognitively different. For all my issues as an autistic in allistic society, I am grateful that reason always holds sway, even if people think it makes me robotic.

I can think of a worse kind of abuse, and Josh has already done it to his sisters.

Anna leaving Josh is almost certainly the best thing for her children. He will always be a pedophile and a sexual deviant, and will never be worthy of her trust or affection. I wouldn't leave my children alone in a room with him, would you?

I grew up with no family. I am not going to lie. It's really rough and it can destroy someone. It takes a lot to heal from that. I am 46 years old and STILL in recovery, probably will be for the rest of my life, the wounds are that profound. No one ever said we are guaranteed a way out of that recovery process it's just important to be in it and to be aware. Don't put your kids through this! That's the message I have for Josh and all these parents who think, for whatever reason, NOT being a nurturing parent is the best choice. It's the worst thing you can put your kid through. Notice I typed nurturing, as in, non abusive parent. Give your kids a chance at life and a future. Equip them with the necessary skills to make it through life, skills only a nurturing environment can foster.