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12 May 2016, 8:59 pm

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I am just saying that we can all make the same points with gentler words.

It's hard to when he's non stop attacking aspies and other disabled people. Why is he even on this site if he has such a horrible view of aspies and other disabled people.

I have nothing against the disabled or autistic. I do have a problem with the mentally ill being allowed to own guns.



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12 May 2016, 9:11 pm

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I am just saying that we can all make the same points with gentler words.

It's hard to when he's non stop attacking aspies and other disabled people. Why is he even on this site if he has such a horrible view of aspies and other disabled people.

I have nothing against the disabled or autistic. I do have a problem with the mentally ill being allowed to own guns.

and you are apparently immune to facts.



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12 May 2016, 9:52 pm

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and you are apparently immune to facts.

I don't buy your argument. It's possible to know the same facts and come to different conclusions.



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12 May 2016, 10:54 pm

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YOU HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS. MOST PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE A MENTAL INLESS ACCORDING TOT HE SSA AND GOVERNMENT.

this isn't about taking guns from people who went to a mental ward or determined by a court to be mentally ill. This is taking rights away from people for being born different.

Nonsense. Learn to read.

You read the proposed rule. It's branding disabled and aspies who happen to have a payee as mentally ill. And you say you support this proposal which has nothing to do with preventing actuall mental ill people from owning guns.



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12 May 2016, 11:28 pm

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and you are apparently immune to facts.

I don't buy your argument. It's possible to know the same facts and come to different conclusions.

can you explain how you come to these different conclusions?



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13 May 2016, 8:48 am

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YOU HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS. MOST PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE A MENTAL INLESS ACCORDING TOT HE SSA AND GOVERNMENT.

this isn't about taking guns from people who went to a mental ward or determined by a court to be mentally ill. This is taking rights away from people for being born different.

Nonsense. Learn to read.

You read the proposed rule. It's branding disabled and aspies who happen to have a payee as mentally ill. And you say you support this proposal which has nothing to do with preventing actuall mental ill people from owning guns.

I support a similar proposal with different rules. Obviously, not all disabled people are incompetent mentally.



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13 May 2016, 8:56 am

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I support a similar proposal with different rules....

Is there such a proposal under consideration right now? If not, aren't we really talking about angels, pinheads and such?


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13 May 2016, 9:01 am

When asked whether they would support measures to restrict the mentally ill from gun ownership, 83 percent of gun owners were in favor and only 8 percent opposed. In fact, the percentage of gun owners in favor of such measures surpassed that of all Americans, 81 percent of which as a whole favor keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

http://www.guns.com/2015/08/12/gun-owne ... -own-guns/

Actually, perhaps I do support the proposed ban. It does separate those that are mentally incompetent from those who are just physically disabled. The investigation begins using your ability to manage finances as a starting point. This doesn't necessarily apply to all autistic people, just the most severely affected. And it doesn't say that just because you need help with finances, you can't have a gun. Typical of gun nuts, you guys have been misrepresenting the law.



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13 May 2016, 9:11 am

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When asked whether they would support measures to restrict the mentally ill from gun ownership, 83 percent of gun owners were in favor and only 8 percent opposed. In fact, the percentage of gun owners in favor of such measures surpassed that of all Americans, 81 percent of which as a whole favor keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

http://www.guns.com/2015/08/12/gun-owne ... -own-guns/

Actually, perhaps I do support the proposed ban. It does separate those that are mentally incompetent from those who are just physically disabled. The investigation begins using your ability to manage finances as a starting point. This doesn't necessarily apply to all autistic people, just the most severely affected. And it doesn't say that just because you need help with finances, you can't have a gun. Typical of gun nuts, you guys have been misrepresenting the law.

Several these terms don't comport with the actual proposed regulation.


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13 May 2016, 9:41 am

So a person who can work, preform norms cations but sucks at math should be barred from guns?

Lots of aspies are given representative payees because they don't think that their be good with money based on how they act at 14. What 14 or even 18 year old who's never had money is going be instantly good with money.

I've owned guns for many years now and been fine with them and you have be killed because you without any knowledge of my mental ability think I and others shouldn't have guns because your so much superior to us

You can say People support anything if you phrase it just right and only ask people in areas you know are bused towards your goal. If your anti gun you poll liberal cities who are anti gun.

You have no f*****g idea about mental illness or how a payee is decided.

You're so f*****g insensitive and don't care one ass about the millions of innocent people that will be harmed by this. It's not you so f**k them all right



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13 May 2016, 10:20 am

At the risk of triggering the other people, here, I have not publicly embraced my autistic tendencies, for fear of being called incompetent.

Dissidence, living arrangements, work history, grades, and tax avoidance can also be labeled incompetent, an arbitrary distinction, in the tradition of Martin Niemöller.

Marinus van der Lubbe was said to have psychological problems.



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13 May 2016, 10:32 am

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At the risk of triggering the other people, here, I have not publicly embraced my autistic tendencies, for fear of being called incompetent.

Dissidence, living arrangements, work history, grades, and tax avoidance can also be labeled incompetent, an arbitrary distinction, in the tradition of Martin Niemöller.

Marinus van der Lubbe was said to have psychological problems.


I was diagnosed as a kid



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13 May 2016, 11:25 am

I wasn't taken to the doctor, unless my parents were peer-pressured to participate in some subsidized program.

I found verbal tests, at the earliest possible opportunity of independence, and they say I should not be able to function.

So, without making assumptions about anyone else, here, I could be labeled (grossly) incompetent.

I don't lay trips on people around me, or abreact to them, but take a functional approach toward my problems. I prefer to separate myself from dysfunctional situations. Can NT people realistically say the same?

Under Communism / Socialism is a faction of purposely underemployed people, called the labor surplus or industrial army, intended to be conscripted into menial labor or synthetic protest, or they are made into scapegoats. The problem is a matter of design. It happens by choice.

Not the kinds of choices that I make.

How can everything be your fault.



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13 May 2016, 12:46 pm

Was 1st grade teacher who first diagnosed me. Then doctors later



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13 May 2016, 12:49 pm

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Was 1st grade teacher who first diagnosed me. Then doctors later

Whaaa?!? A first-grade teacher? Amazing!


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13 May 2016, 1:59 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
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Was 1st grade teacher who first diagnosed me. Then doctors later

Whaaa?!? A first-grade teacher? Amazing!



I don't think he means professionally, I think he means his teacher said he had it and decided he did without a professional assessment. No one can diagnose someone without any proper training and who are not qualified to label someone.


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