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24 Feb 2017, 6:26 pm

And you know that? It just wasn't stated for the others, that's all.


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24 Feb 2017, 6:30 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
And you know that? It just wasn't stated for the others, that's all.


Yes. They just didn't want to have to keep writing that over and over. Also that is a standard way for expressing these types of statistics.

The last sentence is also a good indicator.



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24 Feb 2017, 6:33 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
And you know that? It just wasn't stated for the others, that's all.


Yes. They just didn't want to have to keep writing that over and over. Also that is a standard way for expressing these types of statistics.

The last sentence is also a good indicator.


If you could just clarify it i'd be happy.


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24 Feb 2017, 6:38 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
And you know that? It just wasn't stated for the others, that's all.


Yes. They just didn't want to have to keep writing that over and over. Also that is a standard way for expressing these types of statistics.

The last sentence is also a good indicator.


If you could just clarify it i'd be happy.


It wasn't my post, I was just answering your question.



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24 Feb 2017, 7:06 pm

Sweden has a population of significantly more than 100,000 [citation needed], so if he did try to sneak the raw figures past us without us noticing he wasn't talking about a rate then he would be over-reporting, not under-reporting.



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24 Feb 2017, 7:35 pm

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Sweden has a population of significantly more than 100,000 [citation needed], so if he did try to sneak the raw figures past us without us noticing he wasn't talking about a rate then he would be over-reporting, not under-reporting.


He only put the "per 100,000" when referring to 2016.


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24 Feb 2017, 11:32 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
He only put the "per 100,000" when referring to 2016.
If you could just clarify it I'd be happy.


Consider it clarified, the figure for all years are in units of per 100,000 persons.



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26 Feb 2017, 3:33 pm

Still waiting for the evidence, shouldn't be that difficult if it's true.


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28 Feb 2017, 5:41 am

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... shouldn't be that difficult if it's true.

What did you hope to gain by insinuation and smear JohnPowell?

Oh well It's a wonderful opportunity for me to double down on the point your nattering is distracting from.

For anyone wanting to check my figures.
I'd love to provide a deep link, but their database has a single page server architecture, so the URL is always the same.
I can't cut and paste a deep link to the specific data.

So you'll need to do it the long way.

But I do encourage people to browse the database, it's really good.
It's global in scope and offences, so it's useful in all sorts of discussions, not just this one.
Just be aware that if you're a fan of large lists of memorizable information, this could be TVTropes levels of addictive. I have given you fair warning :P

How to find the stats for Sweden wrote:
Enable JavaScript
Goto : https://data.unodc.org/?lf=1&lng=en

On the left hand side you will see a bar, it defaults to drugs, so you must click "Crime and Criminal justice".

This will expand the side bar.
Click "crime" in the side bar.
That will expand into a smorgasbord of offences.
Click "rape" near the bottom.

You'll now get a form.
In Region select "Europe."
In Sub Region Select "Northern Europe"
In Country select "Sweden"

Then click "Run report" and it will open it in a browser window, but their is no URL that links to this report(annoying).

Or click the little PDF sign with "Download as ..." next to it.
And save it to somewhere you will remember.
Then open it in your PDF viewer.





Now looking at the figures from 2003 to 2008

2003 : 25.0/100K
2004 : 25.2/100K
2005 : 41.9/100K
2006 : 46.2/100K
2007 : 51.9/100K
2008 : 53.1/100K

Here we can see the that the increase in rapes began in 2005 roughly doubling over a 3 year period to 2008 where it became stable once again.
What happened in 2005? Sweden undertook a broad expansion of what constitutes rape and how rape is counted.
https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/news-from-bra/archive/news/2011-01-18-how-common-is-rape-in-sweden-compared-to-other-european-countries.html

But even if you took 2008 as the date, that is still long before the flood of refugees arrived, so getting back to the main point, unless those refugees are arriving in the Doctors Tardis, they cannot be the source of that major increase.

The most likely cause is the expanded definition of what is counted as rape.



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28 Feb 2017, 1:15 pm

OK. Thank you.


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28 Feb 2017, 2:52 pm

I believe he is being intentionally misleading because he knows his base will believe it. He also knows he has plausible deniability. It is a carefully crafted strategy where no one can nail down with certainty what he means and any criticism can easily be denied because his statements are indirect. Is Trump himself responsible for this? Not sure, but Bannon certainly has the ability to concoct such a strategy. Overall the strategy plays on the fears and prejudices of people. There is no tool greater than fear to control the masses and it has been employed throughout history by good and bad people for their own ends. I find this whole thing quite disturbing. If the statements are accidental why doesn't he clarify what it is he meant after the fact? He is speaking to a specific audience and knows how they will interpret his statements, to backtrack would be to abandon them.