Opinions regarding "Animal Rights"

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things that are always hot topics: politics and moral issues. (note that religion falls under politics and this thread falls under morals)

You know animal should have basic rights, not much. But chimps should still be put down if they attack and especially kill someone. Humans can be reformed most other animals cant.

So you say is OK about eating animals and God said it was OK, even before Adam and Eve commited the first sin? it sounds contradictory because you have to KILL an animal in order to eat it, you are already commiting a sin.

But I think this is the discrepance between different religion beliefs. There are a few christians who don't eat meat, they believe eating meat is wrong because you are supporting the killing of the animals. These people state the argument, that in Heaven there won't be death. No one will eat any animal because for that, there is the need of killing them.

Anyone who wants to is free to be a vegetarian. All the better when they have the good intentions behind it. God looks on the heart, so he credits good intentions. There, in fact, isn't a decrepency between vegetarian Christians and meat-eating Christians, as thusly shown:

"But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do. ... Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall." ("Sin" meaning, through your brother thinking you're sinning by your diet. Paul is showing that, hypothetically, he would even be willing to change his entire diet, if it meant avoiding giving a sinful impression to someone less knowledgable. That's what love is.)
1 Cor. 8:8,13

I am asking how you can prove that your ideas are true and every other single idea is false and do so to the satisfaction of all human beings on this planet, that you can disprove all of the biologists, the anti-theist philosophers, and possibly all of the physicists too if you believe in young earth creationism, and all of that with logic that is completely irrefutable.

thusly sprack Lukewarm

I have edited my post earlier to change it like this

I really would like to know that, one of the reasons God created animals was so we can eat them, right? How can that be possible, if death wasn't suppouse to exist before the first sin?

I'm aginst animal rights, simply because nature knows nothing of rights. Only humans project their values and personalities on animals. Most animals do what they are programmed by evolution to do: Eat and breed.

Look at it this way, most animals have no respect for human life (i.e. bugs, etc) they are just robots made of meat.

Funnily enough animal rights is a double standard, if you aske the same animal rights activists whether cockroaches should ahve animal rights and mosquitoes I'm sure you'll find a double standard soon enough as you go down the "gross animal list", or animals we "disfavor" because they aren't cute enough or similar enough to us in some way we can emotionally project ourselves onto them.

Next, I'm utilitarian, the sun will blow up eventually and nature naturally kills tonnes of animals. Since most animals will not contribute to their own survival due to lack of cognitive faculty to develop culture, science necessary to get off this planet, they are expendable.

So, you ARE asking for proof from me to you.
Well, just as a good-intentioned person cannot literally prove beyond all shadows of all doubts that he is good-intentioned, even though he is, so I cannot prove to you that I know God exists, even though I do. See the difference? We all know that we have inelocutable thoughts -- thoughts which can't be fully expressed in words -- but that inability to express all our thoughts in words does not mean that those thoughts don't exist, of course. (We Autistics, above all, should know that.)

Bottom line: God didn't mean for Himself to be blindingly, absolutely proven to man -- if He did, He'd appear physically before us, or do some undeniable miracle. All the less do I have either the right or the means to prove Him to you. If you truly, humbly want to find Him, you will; you don't need me for that.

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Death entered the world when Adam and Eve sinned. Perhaps as a constant reminder to mankind of that fact, God then changed them and their decendants to be omnivores. That's just one possibility among many possible answers to how/why God intended us to eat animals in addition to vegetables. And Gen 1:26 shows God putting all earthly creatures under our dominion.

Yes and fundamentalist idiots have twisted this to mean that they can do anything they wish to animals. What is meant by "dominion" is the ability to impose will. Humans are top of the food chain. This does not mean that committing cruelties is acceptable. There is no doubt a christian God would want anyone to show crulety to animals because they do not understand the word dominon.

http://www.all-creatures.org/ca/ark-185beasts.html

Animal 'rights' activists are complete morons.

So are some human "rights" activists.

OK...
I disagree.

1. Humans are animals themselves.
2. The Bible should be of no significance when deciding whether or not to give other species 'rights.'
3. Nobody gave us 'ultimate authority' over other animals.
4. I think it is incredibly arrogant for us to consider ourselves as somehow above all other species.
5. God did not create anything.
6. God should have nothing to do with this debate.
7. I severely dislike the term 'lesser creatures.'[/quote]

i agree, soph! i am part of an animal rights group,
but im not in PETA or what the name of that group is
thet take it too far.

So what is this religion of yours that says we shouldn't treat animals like a resource? And why are other religions not valid in this debate?