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27 Feb 2018, 7:59 pm

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So 150 house democrats are pushing a bill to ban simi auto guns that can take a magizane of 10 or more rounds or hold 10 or more rounds. So all simi auto guns basically.

Leaving 285 members to oppose the bill? :lol:


That’ll be seen when I comes to vote. Those are just cosponsonsers.
Republicans have been folding as of late.



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27 Feb 2018, 8:48 pm

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Yeah, why can't they be like conservatives! Conservatives never restrict anyone's freedom.


Getting free stuff at the expense of others isn't what freedom is about.


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27 Feb 2018, 8:53 pm

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So 150 house democrats are pushing a bill to ban simi auto guns that can take a magizane of 10 or more rounds or hold 10 or more rounds. So all simi auto guns basically.

Leaving 285 members to oppose the bill? :lol:


That’ll be seen when I comes to vote. Those are just cosponsonsers.
Republicans have been folding as of late.

They'll "fold" themselves right out of office next election if they don't soldier up and hold the line.


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27 Feb 2018, 10:36 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Yeah, why can't they be like conservatives! Conservatives never restrict anyone's freedom.


Getting free stuff at the expense of others isn't what freedom is about.


Dude. Stop playing dumb. A lot of Republicans want to bring back the Victorian-era hyper-capitalism, which turned old London into a cesspool of wage slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

Addionally, in the past, the Republican Party has restricted freedom by:

- Supporting SOPA
- Supporting the Patriot Act
- Restricting women's reproductive rights
- Discriminating against homosexuals
- Supporting Augusto Pinochet
- Supporting Suharto
- Supporting King Salman
- Supporting Nicaraguan Contras (who were right-wing extremists)
- Supporting corporate welfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare
- Supporting segregation

I could go on like this all day.

... and that's just the Republican Party. What about other conservative organisations? During the American Revolution, the Empire Loyalists (AKA "damn redcoats") were conservative.

You are severely underestimating our intelligence if you think that were are confusing gratis with libre.


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27 Feb 2018, 10:54 pm

the people who are ok with a return to feudalism see themselves and theirs as the lords lording it over the rest of us in such a scenario.



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27 Feb 2018, 11:07 pm

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the people who are ok with a return to feudalism see themselves and theirs as the lords lording it over the rest of us in such a scenario.


Yep. That's why democracy is so important.

In almost every society, there is a bottom. You could end up there. Make sure that the bottom isn't too bad.


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27 Feb 2018, 11:19 pm

we are fighting dark siders who see it as their life's mission to make the bottom an abyss.



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27 Feb 2018, 11:38 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Raptor wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Yeah, why can't they be like conservatives! Conservatives never restrict anyone's freedom.


Getting free stuff at the expense of others isn't what freedom is about.


Dude. Stop playing dumb. A lot of Republicans want to bring back the Victorian-era hyper-capitalism, which turned old London into a cesspool of wage slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

Addionally, in the past, the Republican Party has restricted freedom by:

- Supporting SOPA
- Supporting the Patriot Act
- Restricting women's reproductive rights
- Discriminating against homosexuals
- Supporting Augusto Pinochet
- Supporting Suharto
- Supporting King Salman
- Supporting Nicaraguan Contras (who were right-wing extremists)
- Supporting corporate welfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare
- Supporting segregation

I could go on like this all day.

... and that's just the Republican Party. What about other conservative organisations? During the American Revolution, the Empire Loyalists (AKA "damn redcoats") were conservative.

You are severely underestimating our intelligence if you think that were are confusing gratis with libre.

You forgot the holocaust. We're all nazis, aren't we?


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28 Feb 2018, 12:22 am

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You forgot the holocaust.


Well ... the Nazis were certainly right-leaning ... but it's hard to call them conservatives. They had several really bizarre beliefs that didn't really fit the definition of "conservative", "left-wing" or "liberal".

I think that fascism and conservatism are both right-wing ... but they are still distinct from one another ... though they overlap on occasion. Similarly, communism and anarchism are distinct even though they are both left-wing.

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We're all nazis, aren't we?


I never said that. You were the one who brought the Holocaust into this.

There are plenty of Americans who self-identify as "conservative but not Republican". That's an option.

The Republican leaders did support Suharto and Pinochet. Today, they continue to collaborate with King Salman. Not all Republicans are in on this, but the Republican leaders are currently King Salman apologists.

Are you going to refute my points or are you just going to spew meaningless wind?


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28 Feb 2018, 12:59 am

The anti-gun advocates likely never lived in a dangerous area and/or experienced real-life dangers.

Someone is breaking into your home right now, what do you? What weapon do you grab?


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28 Feb 2018, 1:11 am

I can't ventilate another living thing, so I guess i'll bend over and kiss my @$$ goodbye.



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28 Feb 2018, 1:20 am

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Someone is breaking into your home right now, what do you? What weapon do you grab?

i wonder what on earth is in my house that's worth the trouble of breaking in :lol: my car keys? couple thousand in cash savings?

i live with my parents and they won't allow guns so i don't know. if i tried to melee him i'd probably be toast.


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28 Feb 2018, 1:21 am

Criminals don't follow the rules. Better to have the good guys armed than have the bad guys rule. We just need a better way of getting the guns to the RIGHT good guys.



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28 Feb 2018, 1:31 am

Raptor wrote:
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Yeah, why can't they be like conservatives! Conservatives never restrict anyone's freedom.


Getting free stuff at the expense of others isn't what freedom is about.


No it's what Dick Cheney is about.

I never mentioned free stuff but you can be satisfied that you beat the mighty strawman. Congratulations!

If you like you can imagine that I'm a communist feminist transexial lesbian seagull.


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28 Feb 2018, 4:20 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
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Someone is breaking into your home right now, what do you? What weapon do you grab?

i wonder what on earth is in my house that's worth the trouble of breaking in :lol: my car keys? couple thousand in cash savings?

i live with my parents and they won't allow guns so i don't know. if i tried to melee him i'd probably be toast.

They won’t know if you don’t have stuff or not til after breaking in and smashing the place up looking.



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28 Feb 2018, 4:22 am

ideally something would have been done before that has a chance to happen.

it appears.... :chin: that an armed individual may have an easier time with this.


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