The unwelcome revival of 'race science'
11 Mar 2018, 6:12 am
Pepe wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
People, I think the answer she wants to hear is something like this:
“Yes, you Whites are the master race, you have higher IQs, you are genetically and intellectually more superior than all others - the rest of the world should be grateful and bow to your Trump”
“Yes, you Whites are the master race, you have higher IQs, you are genetically and intellectually more superior than all others - the rest of the world should be grateful and bow to your Trump”
I am a college graduate.
This is self-evident to me.
-When I took astronomy, who did we first study? A Spanish white guy that starts with a "K" and rhymes with "Leper".
-When I took calculus, who did I see in my math book? European people. Newton, Gauss, Taylor, Maclaurin
-In chemistry, my professor was very old, he loved history. His tests contained people questions about famous (white) chemists (can't remember their names).
-My history research paper was on Greek (white) mathematicians.
-In philosophy class, as far as I recall, all the famous ones are white.
-I took many semesters of physics, as far as I recall, all the famous ones are white.
I don't recall ever studying a single non-white person as accomplishing anything important.
So, going back to the point of this topic, I can see why these researchers might come to such a conclusion.
You do make a good point...
Google the top scientists...
Google the top philosophers...
And you will see that they are predominantly/overwhelmingly caucies...
But couldn't it simply be happenstance?
A golden age, as it was for the ancient Egyptians and Chinese?
An ephemeral zeitgeist/circumstance?
Do the Japanese still make the best electronics?
When will China take over as the largest economy in the world?
The winds of change seem to be defying your belief in white supremacy...
Sure.
Earlier, I suggested it could be because of "capitalism", or the invention of the "movable type printing press" allowing for mass production of books, thus, bringing education to the masses, or as "Chronos" mentioned it could be a confluence of many things, or maybe "white people" are better innovators.
With regards to China, the world is so globalized now, that it no longer makes sense to think in terms of countries/race. Apple computer (American HQ company) supports an estimated 4.8 million jobs in China in the I-product eco-system.
https://247wallst.com/jobs/2017/03/17/a ... -us-total/
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11 Mar 2018, 6:21 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
Pepe wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
People, I think the answer she wants to hear is something like this:
“Yes, you Whites are the master race, you have higher IQs, you are genetically and intellectually more superior than all others - the rest of the world should be grateful and bow to your Trump”
“Yes, you Whites are the master race, you have higher IQs, you are genetically and intellectually more superior than all others - the rest of the world should be grateful and bow to your Trump”
I am a college graduate.
This is self-evident to me.
-When I took astronomy, who did we first study? A Spanish white guy that starts with a "K" and rhymes with "Leper".
-When I took calculus, who did I see in my math book? European people. Newton, Gauss, Taylor, Maclaurin
-In chemistry, my professor was very old, he loved history. His tests contained people questions about famous (white) chemists (can't remember their names).
-My history research paper was on Greek (white) mathematicians.
-In philosophy class, as far as I recall, all the famous ones are white.
-I took many semesters of physics, as far as I recall, all the famous ones are white.
I don't recall ever studying a single non-white person as accomplishing anything important.
So, going back to the point of this topic, I can see why these researchers might come to such a conclusion.
You do make a good point...
Google the top scientists...
Google the top philosophers...
And you will see that they are predominantly/overwhelmingly caucies...
But couldn't it simply be happenstance?
A golden age, as it was for the ancient Egyptians and Chinese?
An ephemeral zeitgeist/circumstance?
Do the Japanese still make the best electronics?
When will China take over as the largest economy in the world?
The winds of change seem to be defying your belief in white supremacy...
Sure.
Earlier, I suggested it could be because of "capitalism", or the invention of the "movable type printing press" allowing for mass production of books, thus, bringing education to the masses, or as "Chronos" mentioned it could be a confluence of many things, or maybe "white people" are better innovators.
With regards to China, the world is so globalized now, that it no longer makes sense to think in terms of countries/race. Apple computer (American HQ company) supports an estimated 4.8 million jobs in China in the I-product eco-system.
https://247wallst.com/jobs/2017/03/17/a ... -us-total/
Would you like to reveal your intentions to everyone now or are you content with people thinking you believe whites are superior? Because I believe that's what most people here think of you and I believe some people here who are not white feel you think poorly of them due to their demographic.
11 Mar 2018, 6:59 am
I am tempted to dive into this thread but I fear it would just end with straw man Mikah getting beaten to death with rusty iron poles, to cheers of "the marketplace of ideas wins again!".
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11 Mar 2018, 7:03 am
Chronos wrote:
Would you like to reveal your intentions to everyone now or are you content with people thinking you believe whites are superior? Because I believe that's what most people here think of you and I believe some people here who are not white feel you think poorly of them due to their demographic.
I think it's clear that "white people" are historically superior innovators. I don't think any thinking person doubts that.
Should we pretend history didn't happen, so people don't get their feelings hurt?
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11 Mar 2018, 8:19 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Would you like to reveal your intentions to everyone now or are you content with people thinking you believe whites are superior? Because I believe that's what most people here think of you and I believe some people here who are not white feel you think poorly of them due to their demographic.
I think it's clear that "white people" are historically superior innovators. I don't think any thinking person doubts that.
Should we pretend history didn't happen, so people don't get their feelings hurt?
It's incredible the amount of hostility towards whites who have a legacy of accomplishment and innovation. I am not seeing this hostility towards north East Asians who also have had a similar success. It's very peculiar.
Obviously in a place like the U.S with a legacy of slavery where there would be some tension or ill feelings towards whites in some regard from other non-whites. But I am seeing this type of mentality pop up and be encouraged even in Europe and elsewhere.
11 Mar 2018, 8:33 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/the-white-inventor-argument/
The site doesn't try to answer the question.
Instead, they simply try to poo-poo "white people" innovation.
Ok, I was being nice long enough.
Well, you are a live proof that not all Whites are genetically smarter than non-whites.
Look at college enrollements, most of the STEM fields are dominated by non-whites, even in your country, and more half of many non-white communities enrolling in stem are women - a gender balance that your people lacks pathetically in STEM; the under-representation of thr half of your community (women) in STEM isn’t a sign of intelectual superiority at all, of your “race”.
Look, you had your golden scientific era, as a “White community” that lasted few centuries, but now you are on decline compared to others. Numbers don’t lie.
Funny how everybody wants to trash whites yet so many people want to move to white majority countries. Especially European countries to have a first world standard of living. It's also funny that white countries are the only first world countries to invite people to come in from third world countries and north East Asian countries (Japan especially) would not dare such a thing as they don't want foreigners.
If white's are guilty of one thing it's being overly generous. Name one wealthy country in east Asia that sends aid and healthworkers to Africa?
11 Mar 2018, 9:04 am
bethannny wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/the-white-inventor-argument/
The site doesn't try to answer the question.
Instead, they simply try to poo-poo "white people" innovation.
Ok, I was being nice long enough.
Well, you are a live proof that not all Whites are genetically smarter than non-whites.
Look at college enrollements, most of the STEM fields are dominated by non-whites, even in your country, and more half of many non-white communities enrolling in stem are women - a gender balance that your people lacks pathetically in STEM; the under-representation of thr half of your community (women) in STEM isn’t a sign of intelectual superiority at all, of your “race”.
Look, you had your golden scientific era, as a “White community” that lasted few centuries, but now you are on decline compared to others. Numbers don’t lie.
Funny how everybody wants to trash whites yet so many people want to move to white majority countries. Especially European countries to have a first world standard of living. It's also funny that white countries are the only first world countries to invite people to come in from third world countries and north East Asian countries (Japan especially) would not dare such a thing as they don't want foreigners.
If white's are guilty of one thing it's being overly generous. Name one wealthy country in east Asia that sends aid and healthworkers to Africa?
The objection I would raise regarding this STEM argument is that at least presently, it seems like India and China rely on Western ideas to innovate. They see ebay so they make "Alibaba". They see US search engines, and they make "Baidu" ... They seem to be followers (copy-cats) not innovators.
They need a lot of STEM grads to do the work of Western companies.
However, what very-successful, innovative technology has China or India made that originated from China or India?
I don't know of any.
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11 Mar 2018, 9:24 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
bethannny wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/the-white-inventor-argument/
The site doesn't try to answer the question.
Instead, they simply try to poo-poo "white people" innovation.
Ok, I was being nice long enough.
Well, you are a live proof that not all Whites are genetically smarter than non-whites.
Look at college enrollements, most of the STEM fields are dominated by non-whites, even in your country, and more half of many non-white communities enrolling in stem are women - a gender balance that your people lacks pathetically in STEM; the under-representation of thr half of your community (women) in STEM isn’t a sign of intelectual superiority at all, of your “race”.
Look, you had your golden scientific era, as a “White community” that lasted few centuries, but now you are on decline compared to others. Numbers don’t lie.
Funny how everybody wants to trash whites yet so many people want to move to white majority countries. Especially European countries to have a first world standard of living. It's also funny that white countries are the only first world countries to invite people to come in from third world countries and north East Asian countries (Japan especially) would not dare such a thing as they don't want foreigners.
If white's are guilty of one thing it's being overly generous. Name one wealthy country in east Asia that sends aid and healthworkers to Africa?
The objection I would raise regarding this STEM argument is that at least presently, it seems like India and China rely on Western ideas to innovate. They see ebay so they make "Alibaba". They see US search engines, and they make "Baidu" ... They seem to be followers (copy-cats) not innovators.
They need a lot of STEM grads to do the work of Western companies.
However, what very-successful, innovative technology has China or India made that originated from China or India?
I don't know of any.
We'll just leave it at that. I know, but you will not do a very good job of convincing most people on this site as such a thing is construed as ''white supremacist'' thinking.
As I said in my post above twice, there is a rising hostility towards whites more so as of lately even in countries that white's are native too (which is absolutely bizarre). Any achievement or positive difference in society white people have made is being underplayed or citicized in order to make other people feel better about themselves.
11 Mar 2018, 9:38 am
@LoveNotHate: Most of those great white inventors that you respect were male.
Does this mean that men are better than women? Explain that one for us.
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11 Mar 2018, 10:05 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
bethannny wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/the-white-inventor-argument/
The site doesn't try to answer the question.
Instead, they simply try to poo-poo "white people" innovation.
Ok, I was being nice long enough.
Well, you are a live proof that not all Whites are genetically smarter than non-whites.
Look at college enrollements, most of the STEM fields are dominated by non-whites, even in your country, and more half of many non-white communities enrolling in stem are women - a gender balance that your people lacks pathetically in STEM; the under-representation of thr half of your community (women) in STEM isn’t a sign of intelectual superiority at all, of your “race”.
Look, you had your golden scientific era, as a “White community” that lasted few centuries, but now you are on decline compared to others. Numbers don’t lie.
Funny how everybody wants to trash whites yet so many people want to move to white majority countries. Especially European countries to have a first world standard of living. It's also funny that white countries are the only first world countries to invite people to come in from third world countries and north East Asian countries (Japan especially) would not dare such a thing as they don't want foreigners.
If white's are guilty of one thing it's being overly generous. Name one wealthy country in east Asia that sends aid and healthworkers to Africa?
The objection I would raise regarding this STEM argument is that at least presently, it seems like India and China rely on Western ideas to innovate. They see ebay so they make "Alibaba". They see US search engines, and they make "Baidu" ... They seem to be followers (copy-cats) not innovators.
They need a lot of STEM grads to do the work of Western companies.
However, what very-successful, innovative technology has China or India made that originated from China or India?
I don't know of any.
First off, Alibaba is not an Ebay copy but is a platform like Amazon. Secondly, Alipay came before Amazon Pay. Also I manage to find more stuff, cheaper on Alibaba than Amazon, despite delivery being a couple days long. Recently, the Chinese have been doing a good job following through and executing their copies.
11 Mar 2018, 10:31 am
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
@LoveNotHate: Most of those great white inventors that you respect were male.
Does this mean that men are better than women? Explain that one for us.
Does this mean that men are better than women? Explain that one for us.
The topic is about "race science" not "gender science".
Let's say on topic.
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11 Mar 2018, 11:10 am
bethannny wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Would you like to reveal your intentions to everyone now or are you content with people thinking you believe whites are superior? Because I believe that's what most people here think of you and I believe some people here who are not white feel you think poorly of them due to their demographic.
I think it's clear that "white people" are historically superior innovators. I don't think any thinking person doubts that.
Should we pretend history didn't happen, so people don't get their feelings hurt?
It's incredible the amount of hostility towards whites who have a legacy of accomplishment and innovation. I am not seeing this hostility towards north East Asians who also have had a similar success. It's very peculiar.
Obviously in a place like the U.S with a legacy of slavery where there would be some tension or ill feelings towards whites in some regard from other non-whites. But I am seeing this type of mentality pop up and be encouraged even in Europe and elsewhere.
It's not hostility toward the "whites" innovators, it's hostility toward the idea that innovation only come from "whites", which is racist and historically false.
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
People, I think the answer she wants to hear is something like this:
“Yes, you Whites are the master race, you have higher IQs, you are genetically and intellectually more superior than all others - the rest of the world should be grateful and bow to your Trump”
“Yes, you Whites are the master race, you have higher IQs, you are genetically and intellectually more superior than all others - the rest of the world should be grateful and bow to your Trump”
I am a college graduate.
This is self-evident to me.
-When I took astronomy, who did we first study? A Spanish white guy that starts with a "K" and rhymes with "Leper".
-When I took calculus, who did I see in my math book? European people. Newton, Gauss, Taylor, Maclaurin
-In chemistry, my professor was very old, he loved history. His tests contained people questions about famous (white) chemists (can't remember their names).
-My history research paper was on Greek (white) mathematicians.
-In philosophy class, as far as I recall, all the famous ones are white.
-I took many semesters of physics, as far as I recall, all the famous ones are white.
I don't recall ever studying a single non-white person as accomplishing anything important.
So, going back to the point of this topic, I can see why these researchers might come to such a conclusion.
The Maya and Mesopotamian were very advanced in mathematics and astronomy, beyond what Europe was able to do at that time; but of course because our mathematics take their continuity from Europe, we remember European mathematicians.
Modern forms of physic and chemistry only came to be in the 18th and 19th centuries, when western civilization took the lead.
Here some of Chinese innovations in their golden age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_dynasty#Technology,_science,_and_engineering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_of_the_Song_dynasty
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11 Mar 2018, 11:19 am
And, anyway.....just because there's "advanced technology" in a civilization doesn't mean it's a great civilization run by "advanced" people.
The Nazis were as "technologically advanced" as any civilization was during the 1930s-1940s. Does that mean they were "great," or that they were a "better race?"
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11 Mar 2018, 11:45 am
bethannny wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/the-white-inventor-argument/
The site doesn't try to answer the question.
Instead, they simply try to poo-poo "white people" innovation.
Ok, I was being nice long enough.
Well, you are a live proof that not all Whites are genetically smarter than non-whites.
Look at college enrollements, most of the STEM fields are dominated by non-whites, even in your country, and more half of many non-white communities enrolling in stem are women - a gender balance that your people lacks pathetically in STEM; the under-representation of thr half of your community (women) in STEM isn’t a sign of intelectual superiority at all, of your “race”.
Look, you had your golden scientific era, as a “White community” that lasted few centuries, but now you are on decline compared to others. Numbers don’t lie.
Funny how everybody wants to trash whites yet so many people want to move to white majority countries. Especially European countries to have a first world standard of living. It's also funny that white countries are the only first world countries to invite people to come in from third world countries and north East Asian countries (Japan especially) would not dare such a thing as they don't want foreigners.
If white's are guilty of one thing it's being overly generous. Name one wealthy country in east Asia that sends aid and healthworkers to Africa?
I am not seeking to move to your country. I am happy where I am -working between Lebanon and Turkey (and Istanbul is gorgeous, not less gorgeous than Paris)- thank you very much.
And Western countries also sell arms to these same countries, the ones you claim to “aid” -actually.... you make up about 90% of global weapon sales including those delivered to questionable factions; you aren’t saints.
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11 Mar 2018, 11:50 am
bethannny wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
bethannny wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/the-white-inventor-argument/
The site doesn't try to answer the question.
Instead, they simply try to poo-poo "white people" innovation.
Ok, I was being nice long enough.
Well, you are a live proof that not all Whites are genetically smarter than non-whites.
Look at college enrollements, most of the STEM fields are dominated by non-whites, even in your country, and more half of many non-white communities enrolling in stem are women - a gender balance that your people lacks pathetically in STEM; the under-representation of thr half of your community (women) in STEM isn’t a sign of intelectual superiority at all, of your “race”.
Look, you had your golden scientific era, as a “White community” that lasted few centuries, but now you are on decline compared to others. Numbers don’t lie.
Funny how everybody wants to trash whites yet so many people want to move to white majority countries. Especially European countries to have a first world standard of living. It's also funny that white countries are the only first world countries to invite people to come in from third world countries and north East Asian countries (Japan especially) would not dare such a thing as they don't want foreigners.
If white's are guilty of one thing it's being overly generous. Name one wealthy country in east Asia that sends aid and healthworkers to Africa?
The objection I would raise regarding this STEM argument is that at least presently, it seems like India and China rely on Western ideas to innovate. They see ebay so they make "Alibaba". They see US search engines, and they make "Baidu" ... They seem to be followers (copy-cats) not innovators.
They need a lot of STEM grads to do the work of Western companies.
However, what very-successful, innovative technology has China or India made that originated from China or India?
I don't know of any.
We'll just leave it at that. I know, but you will not do a very good job of convincing most people on this site as such a thing is construed as ''white supremacist'' thinking.
As I said in my post above twice, there is a rising hostility towards whites more so as of lately even in countries that white's are native too (which is absolutely bizarre). Any achievement or positive difference in society white people have made is being underplayed or citicized in order to make other people feel better about themselves.
No one would be hostile to you if you don’t make such stupid claims about superiority.
