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20 Jun 2018, 8:10 pm

We came sort of close with the Patriot Act. But it was repealed.

Congress----in a bipartisan sense---won't let Trump go too far.

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20 Jun 2018, 8:30 pm

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We came sort of close with the Patriot Act. But it was repealed.

Congress----in a bipartisan sense---won't let Trump go too far.

I would normally take comfort in that, but as the Never-Trumpers like Sanford have been losing their offices due to fanatical idolatry toward Trump, I'm afraid the Republican majority have traded in their testicles for a free pass to Trump Tower.

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20 Jun 2018, 8:32 pm

auntblabby wrote:

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Don't you all feel relieved that have personal choice?

not all of us believe in "free will."

Yah, I was being sarcastic

yeh, I suppose I shoulda know'd that. :oops:

Actually I wasn't sure whether or not you already knew that.

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20 Jun 2018, 8:36 pm

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I say that we "can't destroy ourselves" because the Constitution wouldn't allow it (I believe).
We have an excellent system of "checks and balances" which offset attempts at tyranny by either the Executive, Legislative, or Judicial branches.

do you think it will survive The Dotard [and his 10s of millions of minions] unscathed?

Wait, does dotard refer to Trump? What does it stand for? Demonstrably Obstinate Terrible Amoral Republican Dork?

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20 Jun 2018, 8:53 pm

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I'm afraid that someone, someday, will convince enough Americans that we don't need those checks and balances.

No one can predict the future but sometimes it seems like the history of democracy is the history of its disassembly by "Patriots" who really have more in common with George III than George Washington.

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20 Jun 2018, 8:53 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

do you think it will survive The Dotard [and his 10s of millions of minions] unscathed?

Wait, does dotard refer to Trump? What does it stand for? Demonstrably Obstinate Terrible Amoral Republican Dork?

that too

but it is a play on his media darling nickname, "The Donald."

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20 Jun 2018, 8:54 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:

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I'm afraid that someone, someday, will convince enough Americans that we don't need those checks and balances.

democracies are fragile things, there has not been one that didn't eventually succumb to dark forces.

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20 Jun 2018, 9:08 pm

We've lasted a darn long time, though----with nary a coup.

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20 Jun 2018, 9:23 pm

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We've lasted a darn long time, though----with nary a coup.

some would say 11-22-63 was a type of coup.

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20 Jun 2018, 9:25 pm

auntblabby wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

I'm afraid that someone, someday, will convince enough Americans that we don't need those checks and balances.

democracies are fragile things, there has not been one that didn't eventually succumb to dark forces.

Fragile alright. Free speech gives a voice to those opposed to free speech.

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20 Jun 2018, 9:38 pm

Well, darlin's, Professor Philip Alston, United Nations Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, visited the US in 2017 and has a few rather pointed remarks on the subject.

Recommended reading here and also here.

His full report just came out... here and here's the money quote:

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Recognize a right to health care

78. Health care is, in fact, a human right. The civil and political rights of the middle class and the poor are fundamentally undermined if they are unable to function effectively, which includes working, because of a lack of the access to health care that every human being needs. The Affordable Care Act was a good start, although it was limited and flawed from the outset. Undermining it by stealth is not just inhumane and a violation of human rights, but an economically and socially destructive policy aimed at the poor and the middle class.

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20 Jun 2018, 9:43 pm

scratch the surface of amuuurica and you'll find a banana republic in its heart.

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20 Jun 2018, 10:00 pm

>sigh< but at least bananas are good for you. High in potassium. Nutritious.

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20 Jun 2018, 10:04 pm

Esmerelda Weatherwax wrote:

>sigh< but at least bananas are good for you. High in potassium. Nutritious.

yeh, I eat one every mornin' :bounce:

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20 Jun 2018, 10:06 pm

:-) envy :-)

if I eat too many of 'em they make me fat :-)

But oh, Bananas Foster! (flaming in rum with cinnamon and brown sugar)

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20 Jun 2018, 10:08 pm

'nanas foster sounds pretty rich, I eat mine with all-natural PB.

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