Are there really more "mass shootings" in the U.S.?

Post Reply New Topic

I guess it just goes to show that there are a lot of things in this country that we should be doing better but we never will because nobody wants to.

Oh well.

What exactly would satisfy your concerns, legislatively?

Doing thorough background checks on the people who buy guns, making sure people cannot purchase or own a gun without a permit, not allowing people with a severe mental illness like Bipolar Disorder or Schizophrenia or people with a criminal history to own firearms, increasing more security in our schools to protect our children, and I think that's pretty much it.

Hell to be frank I wouldn't mind if guns were made completely illegal like over in Japan. They don't have problems like kids bringing guns to school to shoot up other kids because they're not as easy to obtain over there as they are here. Besides why do we even need the right for civilians to own firearms anymore? We made that law when we were fighting the British for control of our country because we did not have an actual military at the time and we were relying on a militia of farmers and hunters. Now we have one of the greatest militaries in the world and our government is so powerful that we don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of overthrowing them even if we really wanted to or had a good reason to.

I think it's just an obsolete amendment. That's my honest opinion.

I think this Reader's Digest article is worth quoting if you want to actually effectively decrease gun-violence...

Last edited by Ban-Dodger on 28 Sep 2018, 2:07 pm, edited 2 times in total.

No thanks to all the above

Many would say aspire can’t own guns or anyone with any conditions, drink lots of coffee well your addicted so no guns for you. Hell your side says just wanting to own guns is a mental illness and so anyone who wants a gun wouldn’t be allowed to have one.

Why don’t you move to japan then. Oh wait they don’t like non Japanese there and you’d have to death with the organized crime problem and super high suicide rate.

Yeah you are so right. If I'm wanting things to change in my own country for what I think is best then I'm some kind of evil traitor who doesn't even love my own country and I should just abandon it and move somewhere else.

That was sarcasm btw.

Criminal-history reviews for receiving a concealed-firearm permit or purchasing a firearm are as strong as they can be given that federal ADA and privacy laws prohibit denying an applicant for either because of disability. Now, applicants who have been convicted of certain alcohol-, drug- or violence-related crimes are already prohibited to apply for a firearm or concealed-firearm permit under federal laws. Many disabled people including those who are blind (yes, they compete and enjoy competitive shooting sports by using computerized equipment).

Increasing security at public schools is irrelevant to this discussion. I can see both sides of the matter, but a lot of educators in my state are already lawfully able to carry a concealed firearm in case they need to protect their students.

It is true that Japan has a universal prohibition on firearms by the civilian population, but, as a nation, it is far from safe given its knife and sword attacks which is seen in abundance there. Death is death. Does it really matter how an innocent person is murdered?

Why do we need civilian owned firearms? I weigh 120-lbs. at 5'7". About the size of many women. Because I am an LGBTQ autist, how much defense could I or a similarly sized woman muster? But, add a lawful firearm, and FBI statistics show that most violent criminals piss themselves and run when they see a defensive firearm aimed in their direction. For anyone, this fact is the best reason to have and possess a concealed firearm for defensive purposes.

Having been an adviser to the U.S. Office of the Attorney for the District of Utah, I learned how crime-prevention measures only prevent FUTURE crimes (and not so well, at that), and hate-crime laws punish the perpetrators AFTER they commit their crimes. Having the ability to prevent an imminent violent assault WHEN IT HAPPENS is the difference between life and death. But, nobody is forcing others to possess firearms. It is completely optional.

If the Second Amendment is obsolete, which other constitutional amendments are similarly obsolete? Many people say that the Second Amendment applies only to muskets and cannons. Does the First Amendment apply only to quills and parchment ... making Internet privacy, e-mail messages and private communications nonexistent?

No, there is still room for the Second Amendment to provide personal security in lawful ways.

I guess you have a point when it comes to women. My Mom had to buy a handgun to protect herself because she was having problems with an abusive ex-husband who was stalking her and threatening her. A gun is the only way a small female can really protect herself against a much larger man.

And I suppose you're right about the stabbings and beatings in Japan. If people want to kill somebody they're going to find a way to do it with or without guns. So I guess in the end it's pretty pointless to try and prevent murder.

But I really don't think armed teachers are enough to protect students. What we need is professional guards with actual training when it comes to dealing with armed criminals. Teachers are trained to teach, not stop homicidal maniacs from shooting up the school.

Oh and for the record I DO love my country and it really angers me when anyone suggests otherwise just because I disagree with their opinion. Nobody will EVER tell me to leave my own country just because I have a problem with some of the things we do here.

Actually, in my state at least, a concealed-firearm permit course involves actual shooting, advice about shooting, the relevant laws (what is lethal force, etc.). And most educators with CFPs immediately sign up for tactical training because: 1) they enjoy their new sport, and 2) want to be as careful and accurate and possible, especially with students around. In Utah, we call the mothers and armed teachers of students "mama grizzlys."

Women are notoriously accurate (see Annie Oakley) and can drop a man like nobody's business!

I had a friend who completed his CFP training not because he wanted the permit or a firearm, but to "get over" his fear of firearms. It worked, and he was a pretty good shot, too! You might want to explore the sport with a beginners class.

I gotta admit that is pretty cool to know. My Mom took shooting lessons too and she's pretty good at it. She actually owns three handguns herself. She used to be against them too but when she was having problems with her ex husband a psychiatrist explained to her that a gun is the best protection a woman can have.

But I just don't think I would ever be OK with learning to shoot or having a gun. Like I said I have a real mental illness and I'm against the idea of people who are mentally ill having guns. And if I ever went off my medicine and I completely snapped and decided to shoot somebody I would never be able to live with myself. I would hope that I was given the death penalty for it even though I know we don't execute murderers with a proven mental illness.

Yep, at the moment you need defense, you will be glad you have it. Even 'tweens have watched their parents get attacked, ran to where the firearm is kept, returned to face down and incapacitated the attacker. One 11-year-old girl protected her younger brother alone with their parents' firearm while 9-1-1 advised the girl to shoot IF the man broke their bedroom door. He did, she did, and two kids are still alive.

Yes, I am sorry to suggest taking a firearm class. My mistake. I apologize. Your mother sounds like a Mama Grizzly to me!

I once had a crazy junky break into our house while my Mom was staying in Georgia and I hid in my bedroom terrified with a knife all night because if they came into my room I was prepared to defend myself.

But then one time I got into a physical fight with my Mom's ex-husband and after that I realized that I am a very physically weak person (us guys can be weak no matter how large we are if we don't work out which I never do lol).

Maybe I need to try and exercise and build muscle or even take a self defense class so that if I'm ever in trouble I can protect myself.

If you are unarmed, call 9-1-1 if you can, then shout to the attacker in the loudest, most angry, voice you have, "I AM ARMED AND I WILL SHOOT," and find the nearest baseball or cricket bat (they are universally legal and frightening to anybody of any height and weight). The knife you got is a good idea, but requires you to get up close and personal, where a bat gives you some room to swing from a distance.

Lol my Mom also told me that I should have called 911 but I had called her instead because I have a really bad habit of calling her during an emergency. I guess I'm scared to call 911 because I've never done it before but believe me I will next time if somebody ever breaks into my house again.

And I think I'll try your advice next time something like that happens. Thanks!

Oh, I hope it doesn't happen again!

Yeah, calling 9-1-1 can get law enforcement officers and others to you faster. Just stay on the line, and they will tell you what you need to do.

Luckily that was the only time that had ever happened to me and this was actually a girl my mom knew. She stayed with us the night before and my mom told her she had to leave and when my Mom was gone to Georgia she decided she was going to break into our garage in the middle of the night and help herself to my Mom's jewelry and she even tried to steal her guns too. She also brought some guy with her to help out.

I was really afraid and my Mom felt very bad about leaving me home alone when that happened so we installed a security system.