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Orwell wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
I am not muslim, but In my opinion, it was Rushdie's own fault that he is facing death threats, as he was brought up a muslim, he knew that this kind of thing would happen if he insulted islam if he does get assasinated, it would be his own blame not the muslims (Careless talk costs lives!!). as a Jew, I would not even dare to Insult Islam or certain parts of Christianity as there is a risk of becoming a victim of anti-semitism.
What madness do you speak? Should we all be silenced for fear of these cowards and their bombs? Should the entire world surrender the freedoms we fought for centuries to obtain and preserve merely because of the threats of criminals and savages? No, of course not. If they threaten us, we should kill them.
Is the victim to blame for any crime? You seem like the type who would say a rape victim deserved it because of being dressed "provocatively." You have a right to free expression, and should never let fear of extremist bigots detract from that right. Defend your liberty! My ancestors fought and died to secure freedoms for me, and I will not so easily relinquish them.
are you comparing Rushdie to a rape victim?, no!!Rushdie's actions were more like this
13 Mar 2009, 2:37 pm
13 Mar 2009, 2:46 pm
Laconvivencia wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
I am not muslim, but In my opinion, it was Rushdie's own fault that he is facing death threats, as he was brought up a muslim, he knew that this kind of thing would happen if he insulted islam if he does get assasinated, it would be his own blame not the muslims (Careless talk costs lives!!). as a Jew, I would not even dare to Insult Islam or certain parts of Christianity as there is a risk of becoming a victim of anti-semitism.
What madness do you speak? Should we all be silenced for fear of these cowards and their bombs? Should the entire world surrender the freedoms we fought for centuries to obtain and preserve merely because of the threats of criminals and savages? No, of course not. If they threaten us, we should kill them.
Is the victim to blame for any crime? You seem like the type who would say a rape victim deserved it because of being dressed "provocatively." You have a right to free expression, and should never let fear of extremist bigots detract from that right. Defend your liberty! My ancestors fought and died to secure freedoms for me, and I will not so easily relinquish them.
are you comparing Rushdie to a rape victim?, no! !Rushdie's actions were more like this
What Rushdie was nothing than to exercise those rights which are guaranteed in civilised society - I do refer here to the French Version of 1789:
Quote:
The representatives of the French People, formed into a National Assembly, considering ignorance, forgetfulness or contempt of the rights of man to be the only causes of public misfortunes and the corruption of Governments, have resolved to set forth, in a solemn Declaration, the natural, unalienable and sacred rights of man,
[...]
Article 10.
No one may be disturbed on account of his opinions, even religious ones, as long as the manifestation of such opinions does not interfere with the established Law and Order.
Article 11.
The free communication of ideas and of opinions is one of the most precious rights of man. Any citizen may therefore speak, write and publish freely, except what is tantamount to the abuse of this liberty in the cases determined by Law.
[...]
Article 10.
No one may be disturbed on account of his opinions, even religious ones, as long as the manifestation of such opinions does not interfere with the established Law and Order.
Article 11.
The free communication of ideas and of opinions is one of the most precious rights of man. Any citizen may therefore speak, write and publish freely, except what is tantamount to the abuse of this liberty in the cases determined by Law.
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BTW: How asks from this religious fanatics about our most sacred feelings and convictions: The conviction that any society which is worth to live in is based on the principle of tolerance and the right of each human being to live the live he or she likes to live. Without any interference from instance which do not give a better reason than some dubious old books.
13 Mar 2009, 3:07 pm
Laconvivencia wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
I am not muslim, but In my opinion, it was Rushdie's own fault that he is facing death threats, as he was brought up a muslim, he knew that this kind of thing would happen if he insulted islam if he does get assasinated, it would be his own blame not the muslims (Careless talk costs lives!!). as a Jew, I would not even dare to Insult Islam or certain parts of Christianity as there is a risk of becoming a victim of anti-semitism.
What madness do you speak? Should we all be silenced for fear of these cowards and their bombs? Should the entire world surrender the freedoms we fought for centuries to obtain and preserve merely because of the threats of criminals and savages? No, of course not. If they threaten us, we should kill them.
Is the victim to blame for any crime? You seem like the type who would say a rape victim deserved it because of being dressed "provocatively." You have a right to free expression, and should never let fear of extremist bigots detract from that right. Defend your liberty! My ancestors fought and died to secure freedoms for me, and I will not so easily relinquish them.
are you comparing Rushdie to a rape victim?, no! !Rushdie's actions were more like this
And here is the difference. You posted a satirical cartoon, lampooning the man who is a prince of the realm, and in line for the throne of Great Britain, after his father and elder brother, and could one day be the head of a major religion as well. Nobody has tried to kill you for this. You have that freedom. But satire to Islam appears to be the very epitome of evil, and results in vicious backlash. Should we then act similarly, and declare you blasphemous scum for satirising our leaders?
