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The_Face_of_Boo
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31 Dec 2018, 8:45 am

First world problems...



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31 Dec 2018, 9:55 am

Fos11 wrote:
Suffering is not a choice, like poverty is not a choice.


I can relate to what you say Fos. We don't have a choice when it comes to what genes we are given.

My own thoughts are that if someone is suffering constantly then they can choose to carry on or not.

I have often contemplated how people get to the point of suicide and understand why.

When my own health is at it's worst then I have plenty of empathy for those who want to end their pain.

There have been times when I felt so helpless, dispairing and wounded that I have probably come close myself.

There are people who won't understand how you feel until they get smacked in the mouth by ill health.



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31 Dec 2018, 10:00 am

One can, in most cases, transcend their "genes."

Having certain "genes" doesn't prevent one from improving one's lot.



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31 Dec 2018, 10:07 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
One can, in most cases, transcend their "genes."

Having certain "genes" doesn't prevent one from improving one's lot.


I am not disputing this Mr Kraftie.

But you said yourself 'in most cases' which indicates there are still those who have no choice.



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31 Dec 2018, 10:22 am

I said, "in most cases," that one can transcend their genes.

Not that "in most cases," people are stuck.

I would take pure genetics out of the equation---unless you have a specific genetic disorder.

Even with the "specific genetic disorder," people can transcend what they have at least somewhat, in many cases.

It's true that in many cases, people cannot. But at least they should make the attempt.



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31 Dec 2018, 10:26 am

You're a person, Temeraire, that I wish I was.

You're an engineer, and you can do vital things to help people in disasters. You're a smart lady.

I cannot. I don't know if it's "genes." My father was mechanically pretty inept---but my mother was a regular Mrs. Fix-it Woman.

Even if my father didn't give me the "good gene" for being mechanically proficient, it was my job to become mechanically proficient through practice and patience----but I didn't practice, and I wasn't patient. I let my genes enslave me in my ineptness, and let my genes render me complacent.

I really don't mind it that I can barely screw in a lightbulb----but there are times when I get regrets.

It just bothers me when people feel so enslaved by their genetics-----in cases where there's no real reason to feel that way.

That was a bit "ranty" LOL



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31 Dec 2018, 11:10 am

I hope I didn’t upset you, Temmy.



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31 Dec 2018, 11:36 am

I tried to kill myself several times in the past and I think in the future I will try again.

I just don't see any future worth living for me.

I'm also about to become homeless or maybe I will end up in jail for many years.

I feel so ugly and worthless a lot of the times and I don't want to live the rest of my life being an ugly virgin who no woman ever wants.

Also my physical health is pretty bad but my doctor won't take me seriously and I think she doesn't care about my health and well-being at all.

Seriously if you think about it suicide really seems to slowly become the only option for me.



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31 Dec 2018, 12:43 pm

It is my observation that people either declare their desire to commit suicide, or they commit suicide. Rarely have I observed anyone threaten suicide and then carry it out.



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31 Dec 2018, 2:05 pm

Fnord, you were lucky in your life thats why you're sucessfull, not because of hard work.



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31 Dec 2018, 2:17 pm

I know at least one person who threatened, threatened, and threatened some more to commit suicide.

Alas, she succeeded in one of her "threats."

There is no turning back when you succeed in "doing the deed."



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31 Dec 2018, 2:26 pm

Fos11 wrote:
Fnord, you were lucky in your life. That's why you're successful, not because of hard work.
No. "Preparation Meets Opportunity" is the operational phrase and philosophy.

'Luck' is for losers.

:D By the way ... I corrected your spelling and punctuation errors. You're welcome.



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31 Dec 2018, 2:27 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I know at least one person who threatened, threatened, and threatened some more to commit suicide...
ONE person does not make a trend.



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31 Dec 2018, 2:28 pm

Don't forget.....if you cry wolf, the wolf might actually come back from the wild.



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31 Dec 2018, 2:29 pm

Fos11 wrote:
Suffering is not a choice, like poverty is not a choice.
Pain is not a choice, but you can choose to wallow in it and make it the be-all and do-all of your existence; thus, you suffer.

Poverty in and of itself may not be a choice, but the choices we make will lead us to prosperity, mediocrity, or poverty.

Choose Wisely.



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31 Dec 2018, 3:15 pm

Uri wrote:
I tried to kill myself several times in the past and I think in the future I will try again.

I just don't see any future worth living for me.

I'm also about to become homeless or maybe I will end up in jail for many years.

I feel so ugly and worthless a lot of the times and I don't want to live the rest of my life being an ugly virgin who no woman ever wants.

Also my physical health is pretty bad but my doctor won't take me seriously and I think she doesn't care about my health and well-being at all.

Seriously if you think about it suicide really seems to slowly become the only option for me.


That sucks, maybe you should get a new doctor. I would also recommend hard exercise, it’s helped me a lot with my self loathing.

Chin up, you’re better than you think, you’re worth it. :heart: