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26 Oct 2019, 6:35 pm

My half brothers and half sister have Jewish heritage but were raised as Christian Baptists.

I don't think my sis is actually religous though. Most likely she's an atheist or agnostic like me (I get the feeling she leans more towards atheism though being a scientist).



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26 Oct 2019, 6:36 pm

My mother, and everybody from my mother’s side of the family, is Jewish.

My father, and most of his side of the family, is Roman Catholic.



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26 Oct 2019, 6:41 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
My half brothers and half sister have Jewish heritage but were raised as Christian Baptists.

I don't think my sis is actually religous though. Most likely she's an atheist or agnostic like me (I get the feeling she leans more towards atheism though being a scientist).


I thought you said you don't believe in atheism?



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26 Oct 2019, 6:44 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
My half brothers and half sister have Jewish heritage but were raised as Christian Baptists.

I don't think my sis is actually religous though. Most likely she's an atheist or agnostic like me (I get the feeling she leans more towards atheism though being a scientist).


I thought you said you don't believe in atheism?



It was a joke. I'm not religous, but I dont rule out the existance of things just because there is no proof.



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26 Oct 2019, 6:46 pm

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My mother, and everybody from my mother’s side of the family, is Jewish.

My father, and most of his side of the family, is Roman Catholic.

My stepdad's family were fourth or fifth generation Jews converted to Baptists. I guess my Mom's family... we are just heathens. :P



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26 Oct 2019, 8:50 pm

AngelRho wrote:
Joking aside, how do you know that with certainty?


Quote:
certainty
noun: certainty

firm conviction that something is the case.
"she knew with absolute certainty that they were dead"

Similar:
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conviction
certitude
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assuredness
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validity
conclusiveness
authoritativeness
truth
fact
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Opposite:
uncertainty
doubt
the quality of being reliably true.
"there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in the law"
a general air of confidence.
"a man exuding certainty"


I have used anthropological studies, my understanding of human psychology, engaged in simple reasoning, but most importantly, I employed metacognition/life experience.

If you are a believer at 41 years, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. <shrug>
Let us agree to disagree. :wink:

The only reason I am contributing to this thread is to sharpen my thinking about the subject.



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26 Oct 2019, 8:54 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
My half brothers and half sister have Jewish heritage but were raised as Christian Baptists.

I don't think my sis is actually religous though. Most likely she's an atheist or agnostic like me (I get the feeling she leans more towards atheism though being a scientist).

Why don't you ask her what she believes in?

TW1ZTY wrote:
It was a joke. I'm not religous, but I dont rule out the existance of things just because there is no proof.

You don't need proof to govern your life.
In the absence of proof, "reason" is king. :wink:

kraftiekortie wrote:
My mother, and everybody from my mother’s side of the family, is Jewish.

My father, and most of his side of the family, is Roman Catholic.

So why did you choose Judaism over Catholicism?



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26 Oct 2019, 11:07 pm

I’m a secular Jew who is an atheist.

I feel a sort of cultural identification with my mother’s side of the family.



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27 Oct 2019, 10:42 am

Pepe wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Joking aside, how do you know that with certainty?


Quote:
certainty
noun: certainty

firm conviction that something is the case.
"she knew with absolute certainty that they were dead"

Similar:
confidence
sureness
positiveness
conviction
certitude
reliability
assuredness
assurance
validity
conclusiveness
authoritativeness
truth
fact
factualness
h
Opposite:
uncertainty
doubt
the quality of being reliably true.
"there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in the law"
a general air of confidence.
"a man exuding certainty"


I have used anthropological studies,

From human sources?

Pepe wrote:
my understanding of human psychology,

How can you be sure your understanding of human psychology is sound?


Pepe wrote:
engaged in simple reasoning,

How do you know your mind is sufficiently capable of even simple reasoning?

Pepe wrote:
but most importantly, I employed metacognition/life experience.

And? "Experience," sometimes referred to as "anecdotal evidence," is generally not accepted as reliable.

Pepe wrote:
If you are a believer at 41 years, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. <shrug>
Let us agree to disagree. :wink:

Suit yourself. "Agreeing" for the sake of agreeing isn't my style.

Pepe wrote:
The only reason I am contributing to this thread is to sharpen my thinking about the subject.

Is that actually working?



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27 Oct 2019, 12:12 pm

AngelRho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Joking aside, how do you know that with certainty?


Pepe wrote:
engaged in simple reasoning,

How do you know your mind is sufficiently capable of even simple reasoning?





That's skating rather close to the edge. Are you implying member is not capable of reasoning?

Please - play the ball not the man!


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27 Oct 2019, 1:46 pm

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That's skating rather close to the edge. Are you implying member is not capable of reasoning?

Please - play the ball not the man!


In the context of the argument it's a genuine question, not an attack. The TL;DR end of this argument is that it all boils down to faith of one sort or another.


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27 Oct 2019, 1:58 pm

I reckon you're right.

Hard indeed to convince someone else that one's particular opinions are the valid ones.


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27 Oct 2019, 2:00 pm

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Please - play the ball not the man!


I was always told to play the man not the puck. :|


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27 Oct 2019, 2:05 pm

Was that your hockey coach? :ninja:


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27 Oct 2019, 2:07 pm

AngelRho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Joking aside, how do you know that with certainty?


Quote:
certainty
noun: certainty

firm conviction that something is the case.
"she knew with absolute certainty that they were dead"

Similar:
confidence
sureness
positiveness
conviction
certitude
reliability
assuredness
assurance
validity
conclusiveness
authoritativeness
truth
fact
factualness
h
Opposite:
uncertainty
doubt
the quality of being reliably true.
"there is a bewildering lack of certainty and clarity in the law"
a general air of confidence.
"a man exuding certainty"


I have used anthropological studies,

From human sources?

Pepe wrote:
my understanding of human psychology,

How can you be sure your understanding of human psychology is sound?


Pepe wrote:
engaged in simple reasoning,

How do you know your mind is sufficiently capable of even simple reasoning?

Pepe wrote:
but most importantly, I employed metacognition/life experience.

And? "Experience," sometimes referred to as "anecdotal evidence," is generally not accepted as reliable.

Pepe wrote:
If you are a believer at 41 years, there is nothing I can say to change your mind. <shrug>
Let us agree to disagree. :wink:

Suit yourself. "Agreeing" for the sake of agreeing isn't my style.

Pepe wrote:
The only reason I am contributing to this thread is to sharpen my thinking about the subject.

Is that actually working?


I guess you don't realize how obnoxiously condescending you come off when you insist everyone who doesn't agree with your perspective is ignorant and uninformed and shouldn't even trust their own mind and observations and instead just accept your opinion as absolute truth despite your nonsensical circular logic and unreasonable, unsubstantiated claims. If I'm wrong and spent eternity in hell, it will still be preferable to spending eternity surrounded by folks who share your attitude. Not that that's a likely outcome, but for how likely it is I'm willing to risk it.


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27 Oct 2019, 2:07 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
Was that your hockey coach? :ninja:


A Propagandhi song, actually. I'm a rare example of a Canuckistani who hasn't played hockey as a youth.


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