22 Apr 2020, 9:25 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
the losing side didn't lose so much as the winning side LOST IT.*
*the plot IOW their common sense
*their sense of basic decency, that they would do this to the rest of us who did them no harm
*their marbles if they really think that things are way better now than they were before november 2016.
*the plot IOW their common sense
*their sense of basic decency, that they would do this to the rest of us who did them no harm
*their marbles if they really think that things are way better now than they were before november 2016.
If you had a better health system,
Would that give you some alleviation?
that would smooth over a LOT. that is my single biggest beef with amuuurican right wingers, their insistence that health care should be unaffordable for the working class.
That's a big part of the right's belief in hierarchical social and class structures. For them, there has to be someone on the bottom who are deprived of even things necessary to life, all so those at the top can glory in their status.
What you described is not normal psychology.
There must be more involved than that.
Perhaps an American conservative view might help here?
Absolutely correct that that isn't normal psychology.
There are WP members on the right. Many of them are of the opinion that the rest of us indulge in class envy for pointing out inequities.
Any idea why the conservatives aren't contributing here, in this conversation?
Apart from being off-topic.
But is it really?
After all, a civil war arises through discontent, and the health system is a major point of contention.
22 Apr 2020, 9:27 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?
he started enforcing a provision [glossed over under obama] specifically excluding veterans from coverage under PPACA's subsidies, without which a basic catastropic-only plan would cost somebody of my vintage over a thou/month, totally unaffordable on top of the deductibles and co-pays. if you know anything about our VA health care, you'd know it is mightily lacking coverage for tertiary [ER and OR] care which costs the lions' share of buck$]. if something major happened to me, if i survived i'd be living under a bridge again, permanently.
I'm confused about what you are saying here.
Did Obama improve the health system in America?
He certainly had for millions of us.
<under breath>
It's like pulling teeth.
1. What did he, Obama, do to improve the health system?
2. What happened to the improvements?
22 Apr 2020, 9:32 pm
Pepe wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
That joke could apply to other situations but I wont derail the thread to say what
Good call.
Besides,
Derailing is my job.
FuneralXempire wrote on a thread about changingand restraining himself from saying something, and I think that affected me. Deep enough not to say that the joke could apply to lawyer in the position of CEO between warring parties especially in divorce
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22 Apr 2020, 9:36 pm
blooiejagwa wrote:
FuneralXempire wrote on a thread about changingand restraining himself from saying something, and I think that affected me. Deep enough not to say that the joke could apply to lawyer in the position of CEO between warring parties especially in divorce
Oh goodie, I'm still a bad influence.
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22 Apr 2020, 11:55 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?
he started enforcing a provision [glossed over under obama] specifically excluding veterans from coverage under PPACA's subsidies, without which a basic catastropic-only plan would cost somebody of my vintage over a thou/month, totally unaffordable on top of the deductibles and co-pays. if you know anything about our VA health care, you'd know it is mightily lacking coverage for tertiary [ER and OR] care which costs the lions' share of buck$]. if something major happened to me, if i survived i'd be living under a bridge again, permanently.
I'm confused about what you are saying here.
Did Obama improve the health system in America?
He certainly had for millions of us.
<under breath>
It's like pulling teeth.
1. What did he, Obama, do to improve the health system?
2. What happened to the improvements?
Millions of Americans who had been locked out of the healthcare system, due to poverty or pre-existing conditions, were able to get medical coverage.
Trump has stopped financial coverage for the Affordable Care Act, but Americans are still applying for it. Meanwhile, Trump had promised to replace Obamacare with a spectacular new program. America has yet to see this stupendous healthcare program by Trump.
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23 Apr 2020, 2:10 am
23 Apr 2020, 3:33 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?
he started enforcing a provision [glossed over under obama] specifically excluding veterans from coverage under PPACA's subsidies, without which a basic catastropic-only plan would cost somebody of my vintage over a thou/month, totally unaffordable on top of the deductibles and co-pays. if you know anything about our VA health care, you'd know it is mightily lacking coverage for tertiary [ER and OR] care which costs the lions' share of buck$]. if something major happened to me, if i survived i'd be living under a bridge again, permanently.
I'm confused about what you are saying here.
Did Obama improve the health system in America?
He certainly had for millions of us.
<under breath>
It's like pulling teeth.
1. What did he, Obama, do to improve the health system?
2. What happened to the improvements?
Millions of Americans who had been locked out of the healthcare system, due to poverty or pre-existing conditions, were able to get medical coverage.
Trump has stopped financial coverage for the Affordable Care Act, but Americans are still applying for it. Meanwhile, Trump had promised to replace Obamacare with a spectacular new program. America has yet to see this stupendous healthcare program by Trump.
Unconscionable.
You would think that, while a new plan is being designed, the old one is left in existence.
Astounding.
Something is seriously wrong in America.
Something is seriously wrong with some aspects of the repulican party, assuming what you are saying is accurate.
Why aren't American conservatives, here on WP, jumping in on this discussion?
Shame/guilt?
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23 Apr 2020, 3:51 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?
he started enforcing a provision [glossed over under obama] specifically excluding veterans from coverage under PPACA's subsidies, without which a basic catastropic-only plan would cost somebody of my vintage over a thou/month, totally unaffordable on top of the deductibles and co-pays. if you know anything about our VA health care, you'd know it is mightily lacking coverage for tertiary [ER and OR] care which costs the lions' share of buck$]. if something major happened to me, if i survived i'd be living under a bridge again, permanently.
I'm confused about what you are saying here.
Did Obama improve the health system in America?
He certainly had for millions of us.
<under breath>
It's like pulling teeth.
1. What did he, Obama, do to improve the health system?
2. What happened to the improvements?
Millions of Americans who had been locked out of the healthcare system, due to poverty or pre-existing conditions, were able to get medical coverage.
Trump has stopped financial coverage for the Affordable Care Act, but Americans are still applying for it. Meanwhile, Trump had promised to replace Obamacare with a spectacular new program. America has yet to see this stupendous healthcare program by Trump.
Unconscionable.
You would think that, while a new plan is being designed, the old one is left in existence.
Astounding.
Something is seriously wrong in America.
Something is seriously wrong with some aspects of the repulican party, assuming what you are saying is accurate.
Why aren't American conservatives, here on WP, jumping in on this discussion?
Shame/guilt?
I hardly doubt that there is any real plan to replace the ACA, just Republican bullshitting about how Obamacare is so terrible (despite the fact that it's actually based on a Republican plan devised by the Heritage Foundation).
At one time there would have been conservatives jumping in to defend their ideology. As it turns out, many of them got banned for racist and homophobic posts, despite plenty of warnings. There is my mortal enemy still around, but as he and I had both gotten in trouble with our war of words, he's currently keeping his distance.
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23 Apr 2020, 3:57 am
Pepe wrote:
Why aren't American conservatives, here on WP, jumping in on this discussion?
Shame/guilt?
Shame/guilt?
mebbe for the same reason that a mugger isn't gonna come clean about why he mugged somebody. we are all "outsiders" to their ableist tribe, we non-rightists are at best "impertinences" to them. oh sure, they are prone to the usual drowning us out with their loud blather about "free markets," "socialism" and other red herrings, but they really don't think any longer, that we're worth the effort. increasingly, both sides here are digging in and only talking past the other side.
23 Apr 2020, 5:04 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?
he started enforcing a provision [glossed over under obama] specifically excluding veterans from coverage under PPACA's subsidies, without which a basic catastropic-only plan would cost somebody of my vintage over a thou/month, totally unaffordable on top of the deductibles and co-pays. if you know anything about our VA health care, you'd know it is mightily lacking coverage for tertiary [ER and OR] care which costs the lions' share of buck$]. if something major happened to me, if i survived i'd be living under a bridge again, permanently.
I'm confused about what you are saying here.
Did Obama improve the health system in America?
He certainly had for millions of us.
<under breath>
It's like pulling teeth.
1. What did he, Obama, do to improve the health system?
2. What happened to the improvements?
Millions of Americans who had been locked out of the healthcare system, due to poverty or pre-existing conditions, were able to get medical coverage.
Trump has stopped financial coverage for the Affordable Care Act, but Americans are still applying for it. Meanwhile, Trump had promised to replace Obamacare with a spectacular new program. America has yet to see this stupendous healthcare program by Trump.
Unconscionable.
You would think that, while a new plan is being designed, the old one is left in existence.
Astounding.
Something is seriously wrong in America.
Something is seriously wrong with some aspects of the repulican party, assuming what you are saying is accurate.
Why aren't American conservatives, here on WP, jumping in on this discussion?
Shame/guilt?
I hardly doubt that there is any real plan to replace the ACA, just Republican bullshitting about how Obamacare is so terrible (despite the fact that it's actually based on a Republican plan devised by the Heritage Foundation).
At one time there would have been conservatives jumping in to defend their ideology. As it turns out, many of them got banned for racist and homophobic posts, despite plenty of warnings. There is my mortal enemy still around, but as he and I had both gotten in trouble with our war of words, he's currently keeping his distance.
There is also the problem of the mods being left-leaning.
I don't think there is an active conservative mod on this website.
Do you know of any?
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23 Apr 2020, 5:15 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?
he started enforcing a provision [glossed over under obama] specifically excluding veterans from coverage under PPACA's subsidies, without which a basic catastropic-only plan would cost somebody of my vintage over a thou/month, totally unaffordable on top of the deductibles and co-pays. if you know anything about our VA health care, you'd know it is mightily lacking coverage for tertiary [ER and OR] care which costs the lions' share of buck$]. if something major happened to me, if i survived i'd be living under a bridge again, permanently.
I'm confused about what you are saying here.
Did Obama improve the health system in America?
He certainly had for millions of us.
<under breath>
It's like pulling teeth.
1. What did he, Obama, do to improve the health system?
2. What happened to the improvements?
Millions of Americans who had been locked out of the healthcare system, due to poverty or pre-existing conditions, were able to get medical coverage.
Trump has stopped financial coverage for the Affordable Care Act, but Americans are still applying for it. Meanwhile, Trump had promised to replace Obamacare with a spectacular new program. America has yet to see this stupendous healthcare program by Trump.
Unconscionable.
You would think that, while a new plan is being designed, the old one is left in existence.
Astounding.
Something is seriously wrong in America.
Something is seriously wrong with some aspects of the repulican party, assuming what you are saying is accurate.
Why aren't American conservatives, here on WP, jumping in on this discussion?
Shame/guilt?
I hardly doubt that there is any real plan to replace the ACA, just Republican bullshitting about how Obamacare is so terrible (despite the fact that it's actually based on a Republican plan devised by the Heritage Foundation).
At one time there would have been conservatives jumping in to defend their ideology. As it turns out, many of them got banned for racist and homophobic posts, despite plenty of warnings. There is my mortal enemy still around, but as he and I had both gotten in trouble with our war of words, he's currently keeping his distance.
There is also the problem of the mods being left-leaning.
I don't think there is an active conservative mod on this website.
Do you know of any?
Can't think of one.
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23 Apr 2020, 6:53 am
23 Apr 2020, 9:13 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
What did Obama do? Did Trump take it back?
he started enforcing a provision [glossed over under obama] specifically excluding veterans from coverage under PPACA's subsidies, without which a basic catastropic-only plan would cost somebody of my vintage over a thou/month, totally unaffordable on top of the deductibles and co-pays. if you know anything about our VA health care, you'd know it is mightily lacking coverage for tertiary [ER and OR] care which costs the lions' share of buck$]. if something major happened to me, if i survived i'd be living under a bridge again, permanently.
I'm confused about what you are saying here.
Did Obama improve the health system in America?
He certainly had for millions of us.
<under breath>
It's like pulling teeth.
1. What did he, Obama, do to improve the health system?
2. What happened to the improvements?
Millions of Americans who had been locked out of the healthcare system, due to poverty or pre-existing conditions, were able to get medical coverage.
Trump has stopped financial coverage for the Affordable Care Act, but Americans are still applying for it. Meanwhile, Trump had promised to replace Obamacare with a spectacular new program. America has yet to see this stupendous healthcare program by Trump.
Unconscionable.
You would think that, while a new plan is being designed, the old one is left in existence.
Astounding.
Something is seriously wrong in America.
Something is seriously wrong with some aspects of the repulican party, assuming what you are saying is accurate.
Why aren't American conservatives, here on WP, jumping in on this discussion?
Shame/guilt?
I hardly doubt that there is any real plan to replace the ACA, just Republican bullshitting about how Obamacare is so terrible (despite the fact that it's actually based on a Republican plan devised by the Heritage Foundation).
Are you saying the "ACA" *hasn't* been removed?
And that it is still in action?
And your concern is that there is a log-jam of applications?
23 Apr 2020, 9:19 pm
auntblabby wrote:
there are a few rightie mods here, it is just that far right is dominant these days, so moderately right wing is sorta "invisible" to many on the right. after all, the GOP spectacularly purged itself of any non-rabidly right-winger a decade ago.
So, you are saying that there was a coup,
And the left won.
Any chance of you mentioning who the conservative mods are?
For the life of me, I can't see any obvious signs of any.
Ferris is gone.
Perhaps he was the last of 'em.
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23 Apr 2020, 11:52 pm
24 Apr 2020, 12:19 am
auntblabby wrote:
i see them as a force of nature best not discussed.
In other words,
None.
Got it!
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