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13 Sep 2020, 5:53 am

Hitler’s ideas about race were very different from the American or South African conception. He didn’t have the same sense of “white unity”, as shown by his genocide of the Jews and Slavs, but didn’t have a problem with the Japanese and allowed Indians to fight for the German army.

Stalin was a racist. His genocide of the Ukrainians and the Polish, his mass deportations of Koreans, his state-sanctioned Tartarphobia and antisemitism, the huge ethnic transportations... he was not a race-blind guy who just demanded loyalty, but someone responsible for at least three separate genocides and arguably far more.



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13 Sep 2020, 6:03 am

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So long as you accepted communism Stalin liked you

O rly? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
Well you also gotta be loyal to Uncle Jo as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purges_of ... viet_Union

Are you familiar with a famous quote attributed to Beria? It was the reality. No one was safe.


So even Jo's loyal followers weren't comfortable either...I guess political polar opposites are really like a snake eating itself.



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13 Sep 2020, 6:06 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Hitler’s ideas about race were very different from the American or South African conception. He didn’t have the same sense of “white unity”, as shown by his genocide of the Jews and Slavs, but didn’t have a problem with the Japanese and allowed Indians to fight for the German army.

Stalin was a racist. His genocide of the Ukrainians and the Polish, his mass deportations of Koreans, his state-sanctioned Tartarphobia and antisemitism, the huge ethnic transportations... he was not a race-blind guy who just demanded loyalty, but someone responsible for at least three separate genocides and arguably far more.


Hitler saw Indians as slaves of the British race and relegated them as slaves to the Japanese, so nothing exciting there if you were Indian.

Hitler's idea of white unity is the same as those on the far right although Slavs fare better than they did with the Gestapo



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13 Sep 2020, 6:43 am

cyberdad wrote:

Hitler saw Indians as slaves of the British race and relegated them as slaves to the Japanese, so nothing exciting there if you were Indian.

Hitler's idea of white unity is the same as those on the far right although Slavs fare better than they did with the Gestapo

I wouldn't defend Hitler but I'm not sure if that accurate.

Eichmann studied Sanscrit in Kashmir for 5 years.

The British were condescending and thought they had bettered India and did Indian's a great favor by there rulership.
But did not view Indian's as Slaves or treat them as slaves.

The British were arrogant and racist but not cruel or mean.

I would doubt the Germans would have had a different view.


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13 Sep 2020, 6:47 am

Slavs didn’t do so great under Hitler, actually.

Stalin was at least as maniacally genocidal as Hitler.

Marx would have rolled in his grave at Stalin’s interpretation and practice of Marxism.



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13 Sep 2020, 6:50 am

I'm not too deeply read on the nazi fantasy about race, but I though India was the supposed origin of the aryan race, hence the swastika (supposedly an exclusive aryan symbol)?


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13 Sep 2020, 7:30 am

According to the Nazi ideology, the Germanic or “Nordic” race (the “Master Race”) was descended from “proto-Aryans,” who supposedly resideD in the North German Plain before they migrated to India.



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13 Sep 2020, 8:19 am

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According to the Nazi ideology, the Germanic or “Nordic” race (the “Master Race”) was descended from “proto-Aryans,” who supposedly resideD in the North German Plain before they migrated to India.
Didn't Germanic peoples come from Russia and crossed to Danube to conquer Celtic lands,other Aryan peoples went east toward India and such.


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13 Sep 2020, 9:51 am

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The Democrats and Republicans aren’t exactly “radical.”

They are sort of two sides of the same coin.

Democrats vocally criticize capitalism, however, rarely (never) do you hear Republicans defend capitalism.


What planet do you live on?

Both parties vocally defend capitalism all of the time, and the Republicans vehemently more so, all of the time.

I live on the planet where Democrats are heavily infected with "Democratic Socialism".

Joe Biden calls for end to "shareholder capitalism".
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-ass ... 1597705153

Biden unveils economic plan, calls for end to shareholder capitalism
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/biden-u ... 18779.html

He actually said out of his mouth, "It's way past time we put an end to the era of shareholder capitalism".

Confused, old man Biden is probably confused, lying, and phony, however, he's saying Socialist stuff to please crowds.


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13 Sep 2020, 1:10 pm

Remember: what I stated about the “Aryans” was pure Nazi revisionist theory.



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13 Sep 2020, 6:09 pm

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I'm not too deeply read on the nazi fantasy about race, but I though India was the supposed origin of the aryan race, hence the swastika (supposedly an exclusive aryan symbol)?


My understanding is that Hitler followed the Aryan Invasion Theory or AIT

In that scenario (fantasy) the ancestors of those who invaded India were a "pure nordic race" who rode war chariots and and wore the swastika as their symbol. Of course that's all bunk.



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13 Sep 2020, 6:14 pm

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Eichmann studied Sanscrit in Kashmir for 5 years.

The British were condescending and thought they had bettered India and did Indian's a great favor by there rulership.
But did not view Indian's as Slaves or treat them as slaves.

The British were arrogant and racist but not cruel or mean.

I would doubt the Germans would have had a different view.


Yeah this is true, But as Kraftie indicated the Nazis carried a "revisionist history" so Eichmann's interest in Sanskrit was based on the idea it was the purest form of Indo-European so a relic of a bygone era.

The Nazis got it the wrong way around. Sanskrit/pali is the oldest relic Indo-European language but there is no evidence it was evert spoken outside of India. It's closest neighbour is Iranian.



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13 Sep 2020, 6:44 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Eichmann studied Sanscrit in Kashmir for 5 years.

The British were condescending and thought they had bettered India and did Indian's a great favor by there rulership.
But did not view Indian's as Slaves or treat them as slaves.

The British were arrogant and racist but not cruel or mean.

I would doubt the Germans would have had a different view.


Yeah this is true, But as Kraftie indicated the Nazis carried a "revisionist history" so Eichmann's interest in Sanskrit was based on the idea it was the purest form of Indo-European so a relic of a bygone era.

The Nazis got it the wrong way around. Sanskrit/pali is the oldest relic Indo-European language but there is no evidence it was evert spoken outside of India. It's closest neighbour is Iranian.

There ultimate goal was the revision of history for sure.


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14 Sep 2020, 7:57 am

Wow. So being against child porn is now considered "Right Wing" One hardly has to try anymore.



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14 Sep 2020, 8:00 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Remember: what I stated about the “Aryans” was pure Nazi revisionist theory.


Not really...This theory started in the late 19th century:
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While the "Aryan race" theory remained popular, particularly in Germany, some authors opposed it, in particular Otto Schrader, Rudolph von Jhering and the ethnologist Robert Hartmann (1831–1893), who proposed to ban the notion of "Aryan" from anthropology.[11]

Müller's concept of Aryan was later construed to imply a biologically distinct sub-group of humanity, by writers such as Arthur de Gobineau, who argued that the Aryans represented a superior branch of humanity. Müller objected to the mixing of linguistics and anthropology. "These two sciences, the Science of Language and the Science of Man, cannot, at least for the present, be kept too much asunder; [...] I must repeat, what I have said many times before, it would be as wrong to speak of Aryan blood as of dolichocephalic grammar".[15] He restated his opposition to this method in 1888 in his essay Biographies of words and the home of the Aryas.[11]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

So, as early as 1888 the theory would have had to be well enough known for the need for it to be opposed.

On a side note, it is interesting to note how the modern "critical race theory" shares the same "X race(s) good, Other race(s) evil" approach to society, albeit "critical race theory" reversed the roles, making the former "good" race evil, and expanding the section of the population included within it...Carried to an extreme, "critical race theory" could potentially be used as a basis for a similar outcome as the "Aryan master race" theory was ("this group of people are evil/subhuman and cannot be redeemed, and so what is wrong with getting rid of them").



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14 Sep 2020, 8:10 am

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Wow. So being against child porn is now considered "Right Wing" One hardly has to try anymore.


Apparently it's only "creepy conservatives" who are against the file...
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The Creepy Conservative Obsession With Netflix’s Cuties, Explained

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But weeks after a petition charging it with being produced “for the viewing pleasure of pedophiles” garnered hundreds of thousands of signatures, the movie finds itself at the toxic intersection of QAnon delusion and right-wing moral panic, with a smattering of leftist outrage on the side.

Source: https://slate.com/culture/2020/09/netflix-cuties-controversy-explained-why-conservatives-are-obsessed-with-the-movie.html?fbclid=IwAR0sN9HNgVQVzg5oGGuWgFdDdIRSbkdTV_IGr7Fk9gqU-Mn87vESzlLd8sw

I did find it amusing seeing someone post about QAnon and (a smattering of) leftists having common ground...