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25 Sep 2020, 2:32 pm

@Emot: You're free to disagree with the opinions of others on this - they can't change your opinions neither can you change theirs. If your disagreeing with them is respectful, it's not against the rules as long as you don't expect them to change.

It certainly sounds as if you oppose women having the vote or holding down jobs. Will you be expecting your wife / partner to give up her profession or job should you want to get married someday?


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25 Sep 2020, 2:33 pm

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How traditional? Denying women the vote? Denying certain Americans the same rights as others enjoy, so that some are more equal than others?
I feel like some people here are trying to get me banned because I don't agree with their opinions. Why ask me if I disagree with women being given the privilege to vote if the rules don't allow anyone to disagree with the forum owner's opinion on this topic? I'll just say I believe God created both genders and I don't think God only giving women the ability to have children means He considers women "more equal" than men. That's not proselytizing. I'm just answering a question.
You are only repeating what you have been taught to believe.


Not true. I evaluated and considered the evidence. I came to the conclusions I did only after carefully analyzing all of the evidence for and against the beliefs I accept. I used to be more liberal.



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25 Sep 2020, 2:47 pm

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@Emot: You're free to disagree with the opinions of others on this - they can't change your opinions neither can you change theirs. If your disagreeing with them is respectful, it's not against the rules as long as you don't expect them to change.


It's not helpful stating what I believe if I'm not allowed to explain why I believe it. Some of those reasons will offend people and be considered racist and sexist.

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It certainly sounds as if you oppose women having the vote or holding down jobs. Will you be expecting your wife / partner to give up her profession or job should you want to get married someday?


It's possible to be opposed to women being given the privilege to vote while not believing it's a sin for women to vote in an election where it is allowed. I don't think I can explain why without offending anyone. To answer your questions, I'd expect my wife to vote and would not force her to give up a job if there wasn't a good reason for it (such as needing to raise children).



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25 Sep 2020, 2:47 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
@Emot: You're free to disagree with the opinions of others on this - they can't change your opinions neither can you change theirs. If your disagreeing with them is respectful, it's not against the rules as long as you don't expect them to change.

It certainly sounds as if you oppose women having the vote or holding down jobs.

ahem....

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There are many good reasons why I, and nearly everyone throughout history up until 100 years ago, believe women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Unfortunately, I can't share them because this forum doesn't tolerate anyone disagreeing with liberal ideology on this topic.

Source: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=389959&p=8600439#p8600439

And the gift that keeps on giving...

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I don't think there is anything intrinsically immoral about slavery (enslaving criminals, prisoners of war, those who voluntarily sell themselves into slavery) but that's just my opinion. Most of the evils of slavery have to do with racism, enslaving innocent people, and treating people like they're less than human and not slavery itself.

Source: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=389959&p=8599088#p8599088



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25 Sep 2020, 2:54 pm

emotrtkey wrote:
There are many good reasons why I, and nearly everyone throughout history up until 100 years ago, believe women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Unfortunately, I can't share them because this forum doesn't tolerate anyone disagreeing with liberal ideology on this topic.
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I don't think there is anything intrinsically immoral about slavery (enslaving criminals, prisoners of war, those who voluntarily sell themselves into slavery) but that's just my opinion. Most of the evils of slavery have to do with racism, enslaving innocent people, and treating people like they're less than human and not slavery itself.

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25 Sep 2020, 3:05 pm

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While I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it.


If that's true, someone must have hacked your account because a user named Fnord reported a post of mine that disagreed with liberal ideology.

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... We have every right, like many other countries in the world, to build a border wall 50 feet high and 50 feet deep along the entire southern border to keep non-Americans people out. Americans want another Operation [censored] like we had in 1954 as shown in the picture below so America will be for Americans.

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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
Blatantly racist. Quoted for posterity and reported.



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25 Sep 2020, 3:09 pm

If being liberal means being against slavery, misogyny, racism, I am for it and see nothing wrong with it.

If being conservative means oppressing women and minorities, those beliefs should never be tolerated.

As for selling yourself into slavery, do you realize it's people that are kidnapped, families that sell their family member to a pimp for religious reasons because they did a sin to their religion. Slave victims get manipulated into human trafficking.

Lilya 4 Ever made a movie about it and it showed how easily someone can become a slave victim and be sold into it. But that only happens like at the last 20 minutes end of the movie. The whole movie was about a 16 year old girl being abandoned by her mother and now she is on her own and has to survive and has no way of supporting herself so she is forced into prostitution and then she meets a guy who becomes her boyfriend and then talks her into moving to Sweden with her where she will be given a job. But instead she meets with the boyfriend's "boss" and he becomes her pimp and she becomes a sex slave. It's suspected the same happened to her mom too and that would explain why she "abandoned" her and the mom's boyfriend was actually a pimp who pretended to her her partner and talked her into moving to the US with him and leave her daughter behind and she will come out later. It happens in real life too. Human trafficking is everywhere. The ones vulnerable to it are women, young girls, those who come from poor families or from dysfunctional families and they are promised being given a better life and stuff and pimps know who to look for.

In the film, Lilya only ended up in that situation because of her current situation she was left in caused by her mother who agreed to leave her behind for now and then abandoned her where she was left without food and electricity and even her own friends had abandoned her and she was now being harassed by her school mates so she tried to get a better life when she met her "boyfriend" and he groomed her.


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25 Sep 2020, 3:18 pm

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Preaching the gospel offends people but it's God's will and can save their souls so I won't stop loving my neighbors. That includes ALL of them including those in the liberal categories, real or imagined, that you mentioned above.


Preaching bigotry will earn you the contempt of decent people and seems like a very creative reinterpretation of 'loving your neighbours'.


Calling someone a bigot is like calling a black person the N-word. It's a slur liberals use to attack people who don't embrace their radical ideology. For example, Obama said in 2008 while running for president, "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman." Most Democrats agreed. Now, just 12 years later they reversed their position and claim Trump and his supporters are bigots for believing what Obama and most Democrats believed 12 years ago.

Being a "bigot" has never earned me contempt from any decent people. I'm a deplorable bigot, racist, and misogynist (according to radical liberals) and proud of it because it means I'm not a follower who goes along with their ever changing ideology. It means I think for myself and don't arrogantly believe I'm better than everyone else throughout history because I blindly adopted the latest fad. It means I don't look down on the rest of the world and ignore their arguments because they disagree with my ideology.


So you are afraid to change with the times...? I mean you literally think woman's place is marriage and children or work for the church. Of course liberals are going to disagree with that. I am not interested in having kids and I certainly don't want to work in a church. We have freedom of religion, in this country so I should not have to follow your religious rules under any circumstance plus that would be against my religion the way I see it so there.


I love change and always welcome new ideas. The reason people's beliefs on certain issues remained unchanged for thousands of years is because people used their brains and concluded that's what was best. For example, President Obama declared in 2008 that marriage should be between a man and a woman, not because he was opposed to change, but because he examined the evidence and concluded that's what was best. That didn't make Obama a bigot or someone who was afraid to change (especially since he's since caved to political pressure).

Freedom of religion isn't freedom from religion. Many religious laws are based on natural law (what people should know based on their conscience) such as the prohibition against murder and theft. Why should I and other people who aren't liberals be forced to follow your religious rules? 21st century radical liberalism has basically become a religion that attacks, looks down, boycotts, protests, and cancels people who commit a "sin" according to radical liberal ideology.


I don't think someone is necessarily a bigot if they think marriage should be between a man and a women, I just don't think they should have the right to impose that on the public. As in Gay marriage should still be legal, and if you don't like it you don't have to participate in one. I mean I don't see how it effects me if a gay couple gets married.

Also the first amendment says that 'congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'. That is taken to mean by a good majority of people that religious laws shall not be established and you have freedom to follow which ever religion you want or no religion at all.

Murders and Theft should be illegal because they hurt other people, not because some religions see it as sin. I don't think anyone should follow my 'religious rules' unless they want to, so I would not want to force it on anyone. That also means I don't want anyone forcing theirs on me.

I don't see how liberalism is like a religion at all, or what sins you're on about. People aren't protesting perceived sins. They are protesting racism, police brutality, treatment of the homeless ect protesting a system that quite simply isn't working for the people. And you have a right to boycott and if someone is saying a bunch of offensive BS no one has to be forced to listen to them or provide them the platform with which to spread their hate. The government cannot arrest you for being offensive but that does not mean there's no consequences.


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25 Sep 2020, 3:19 pm

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If being liberal means being against slavery, misogyny, racism, I am for it and see nothing wrong with it.

If being conservative means oppressing women and minorities, those beliefs should never be tolerated.


Conservatives only oppress women and minorities in the imaginations of liberals. Anyway, thanks for confirming that liberals are intolerant. We already knew it but it's nice to get confirmation once in awhile.

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As for selling yourself into slavery, do you realize it's people that are kidnapped, families that sell their family member to a pimp for religious reasons because they did a sin to their religion. Slave victims get manipulated into human trafficking.


Human trafficking is mostly a hoax. It's extremely rare. The government has spent large amounts of money in numerous operations that didn't result in finding any victims. It's mostly an ideological/religious crusade against men started by radical feminists.

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Lilya 4 Ever made a movie about it and it showed how easily someone can become a slave victim and be sold into it. But that only happens like at the last 20 minutes end of the movie. The whole movie was about a 16 year old girl being abandoned by her mother and now she is on her own and has to survive and has no way of supporting herself so she is forced into prostitution and then she meets a guy who becomes her boyfriend and then talks her into moving to Sweden with her where she will be given a job. But instead she meets with the boyfriend's "boss" and he becomes her pimp and she becomes a sex slave. It's suspected the same happened to her mom too and that would explain why she "abandoned" her and the mom's boyfriend was actually a pimp who pretended to her her partner and talked her into moving to the US with him and leave her daughter behind and she will come out later. It happens in real life too. Human trafficking is everywhere. The ones vulnerable to it are women, young girls, those who come from poor families or from dysfunctional families and they are promised being given a better life and stuff and pimps know who to look for.

In the film, Lilya only ended up in that situation because of her current situation she was left in caused by her mother who agreed to leave her behind for now and then abandoned her where she was left without food and electricity and even her own friends had abandoned her and she was now being harassed by her school mates so she tried to get a better life when she met her "boyfriend" and he groomed her.


Why couldn't "Lilya" get a job to support herself like everyone else?



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25 Sep 2020, 3:23 pm

Understood. You support my right to disagree with you somewhere else where you won't hear it.



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25 Sep 2020, 3:24 pm

GGPViper wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:

emotrtkey wrote:
There are many good reasons why I, and nearly everyone throughout history up until 100 years ago, believe women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Unfortunately, I can't share them because this forum doesn't tolerate anyone disagreeing with liberal ideology on this topic.

Source: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=389959&p=8600439#p8600439




Emortrkey, are you certain you're not a time traveller from the 1890's who's lmislaid his shuttle back?


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25 Sep 2020, 3:27 pm

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Understood. You support my right to disagree with you somewhere else where you won't hear it.
Just because I support your right to say it, that does not mean that I agree with what you say, believe what you say, or even think that what you say was worth your effort to post in the first place.



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25 Sep 2020, 3:59 pm

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Human trafficking is mostly a hoax. It's extremely rare. The government has spent large amounts of money in numerous operations that didn't result in finding any victims. It's mostly an ideological/religious crusade against men started by radical feminists.


https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-Trafficking-in-Persons-Report.pdf

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Dear Reader:
Human trafficking is one of the most heinous crimes on Earth. Right now traffickers are
robbing a staggering 24.9 million people of their freedom and basic human dignity—that’s
roughly three times the population of New York City. We must band together and build
momentum to defeat human trafficking. We must hold the perpetrators of this heinous
crime accountable. We must achieve justice for survivors as they rebuild their lives. We
must reinvigorate our shared commitment to extinguish human trafficking wherever it
exists. There is no time to waste.
.....
The Department of State joins the Trump Administration, community leaders, global allies, and the survivors in our
shared fight to end human trafficking. We must be resolute—we cannot leave anyone behind. Rather, we must harness
innovation and ingenuity to prevent trafficking, identify and empower those who have survived it, and send the strongest
message possible to traffickers that we will not tolerate their despicable and criminal acts.

-Mike Pompeo


Mike Pompeo, such a radical feminist that one.

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25 Sep 2020, 4:04 pm

emotrtkey wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
If being liberal means being against slavery, misogyny, racism, I am for it and see nothing wrong with it.

If being conservative means oppressing women and minorities, those beliefs should never be tolerated.


Conservatives only oppress women and minorities in the imaginations of liberals. Anyway, thanks for confirming that liberals are intolerant. We already knew it but it's nice to get confirmation once in awhile.

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As for selling yourself into slavery, do you realize it's people that are kidnapped, families that sell their family member to a pimp for religious reasons because they did a sin to their religion. Slave victims get manipulated into human trafficking.


Human trafficking is mostly a hoax. It's extremely rare. The government has spent large amounts of money in numerous operations that didn't result in finding any victims. It's mostly an ideological/religious crusade against men started by radical feminists.

Quote:
Lilya 4 Ever made a movie about it and it showed how easily someone can become a slave victim and be sold into it. But that only happens like at the last 20 minutes end of the movie. The whole movie was about a 16 year old girl being abandoned by her mother and now she is on her own and has to survive and has no way of supporting herself so she is forced into prostitution and then she meets a guy who becomes her boyfriend and then talks her into moving to Sweden with her where she will be given a job. But instead she meets with the boyfriend's "boss" and he becomes her pimp and she becomes a sex slave. It's suspected the same happened to her mom too and that would explain why she "abandoned" her and the mom's boyfriend was actually a pimp who pretended to her her partner and talked her into moving to the US with him and leave her daughter behind and she will come out later. It happens in real life too. Human trafficking is everywhere. The ones vulnerable to it are women, young girls, those who come from poor families or from dysfunctional families and they are promised being given a better life and stuff and pimps know who to look for.

In the film, Lilya only ended up in that situation because of her current situation she was left in caused by her mother who agreed to leave her behind for now and then abandoned her where she was left without food and electricity and even her own friends had abandoned her and she was now being harassed by her school mates so she tried to get a better life when she met her "boyfriend" and he groomed her.


Why couldn't "Lilya" get a job to support herself like everyone else?


Poor country and no jobs.


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25 Sep 2020, 4:17 pm

Feyokien wrote:
emotrtkey wrote:
Human trafficking is mostly a hoax. It's extremely rare. The government has spent large amounts of money in numerous operations that didn't result in finding any victims. It's mostly an ideological/religious crusade against men started by radical feminists.


https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-Trafficking-in-Persons-Report.pdf

Quote:
Dear Reader:
Human trafficking is one of the most heinous crimes on Earth. Right now traffickers are
robbing a staggering 24.9 million people of their freedom and basic human dignity—that’s
roughly three times the population of New York City. We must band together and build
momentum to defeat human trafficking. We must hold the perpetrators of this heinous
crime accountable. We must achieve justice for survivors as they rebuild their lives. We
must reinvigorate our shared commitment to extinguish human trafficking wherever it
exists. There is no time to waste.
.....
The Department of State joins the Trump Administration, community leaders, global allies, and the survivors in our
shared fight to end human trafficking. We must be resolute—we cannot leave anyone behind. Rather, we must harness
innovation and ingenuity to prevent trafficking, identify and empower those who have survived it, and send the strongest
message possible to traffickers that we will not tolerate their despicable and criminal acts.


Mike Pompeo, such a radical feminist that one.


Despite the propaganda and the bogus statistics quoted, the evidence reveals that human trafficking is very rare. The fact that radical feminists used emotional arguments not based on facts to deceive some conservatives to fund their agenda is irrelevant.

I recommend reading the article, "The War on Sex Trafficking Is the New War on Drugs" that exposes the myths of human trafficking: https://reason.com/2015/09/30/the-war-o ... icking-is/