Trump's various attempts to challenge election results

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Rauch: Trump has mastered the 'firehose of falsehood' - CNN video, with the following description:

Accompanying article here: 'Firehose of falsehood:' How Trump is trying to confuse the public about the election outcome by Brian Stelter, CNN, Mon November 30, 2020.

This article also refers to the following page on the website of the Rand Corporation: The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model: Why It Might Work and Options to Counter It by Christopher Paul, Miriam Matthews, 2016.

Show me where you ever objected to auntblabby writing "amuuuurica".

It seems like what you're really saying is "I don't like your political views so I want you banned".

But it doesn't work that way, no matter how many times you keep repeating this routine.

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I was wondering where the Russians were this time around.

Wasn't antifa involved?
But there would be a few right-wing guys in that group, also, yeah.

Is not!

You have a history of trying to get people banned.

Do I have a history of abrasive nationalism?

As fascinating as you are, could we get back to the topic please?

Of course, to Trump fanatics, this doesn't mean Trump's allegations of widespread voter fraud are without merit; it means that even Bill Barr is "compromised and part of the deep state":

Lou Dobbs Accuses Bill Barr of Being ‘Compromised’ and Part of the ‘Deep State’ by Justin Baragona, The Daily Beast, Dec. 01, 2020

So those saying there's 70 million cult fanatics attempting a coup on one side is perfectly reasonable, but those saying there's something shady going on on the other side is pure lunacy.

Tis easy to pin the tail on the wrong donkey.

Wealth,transparency~misperceived as arrogance etc,nor others opinions,hearsay,rumors,past regressions and or ones own struggles in life etc etc,

should not be a deciding factor and or the right to pin the wrong pin on the wrong donkey.

Clear the waters first,before seeing.


There is truth,that may appear as untruth,

for good reason.


*Ticket to ride*


I have a new found appreciation for the 'wall'.

Not all 70 million Trump voters are "cult fanatics." Those who aren't cult fanatics have noticed, for example, that Trump's lawsuits have gone nowhere, and that his "voter fraud" allegations have turned out not to have much if any merit.

What Trump has been doing isn't a "coup," at least not in the usual military sense, although it's arguably "coup-like," in the sense of trying to hold on to power in ways that are a radical break with American democratic traditions.

Trump did not, originally, have any basis whatsoever for his "voter fraud" allegations, other than the mere fact that he initially seemed to be ahead in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona, but then fell behind as more and more of the mail-in ballots were counted. Thus, his original reason for claiming "fraud" was nothing more than the "red mirage" that had already been predicted by experts for weeks before the election due to the mere fact that Democrats were more likely than Republicans to vote by mail. (See, for example, 'Red mirage': the 'insidious' scenario if Trump declares an early victory, Guardian (UK), Oct 31, 2020.)

Trump left it to his supporters to dig up various "irregularities" that could then be construed as evidence of possible voter fraud -- but hardly any of them held up in court, and none of them constituted real evidence of massive voter fraud.

Trump and his more fanatical supporters are now trying to pressure Republican-dominated state legislatures in battleground states to overturn their election results and appoint the electors themselves. This might be technically constitutional, but would be a radical break with American tradition and is clearly not justified on the alleged grounds of a fraudulent or otherwise uncertain election outcome.

No other presidential candidate in U.S. history has ever pursued a contested election anywhere near this far, or on grounds anywhere near as flimsy.

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That speaks volumes.

Especially taking on board,the times where in.

What I was commenting on was how the idea of a deep state is supposed to be absurd, but talk of a massive cult isn't.

(Sarcasm)
The Russians involved in attempting to fix the election for Trump have been permanently exiled to Siberia.

I did put forward an interesting question elsewhere on the site:
Given the "left" saw Mr Trump as so "evil", would they not be morally obliged to commit fraud in order to ensure he lost re-election? And, as an alternative, were they not to commit fraud in order to ensure he lost re-election, would that not demonstrate that they did not consider him as bad as they had been making out that he was for the past 4 years?