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What determines sexuality?
Who you're attracted to 65%  65%  [ 22 ]
Who you have sex with 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Both 24%  24%  [ 8 ]
None/other 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 34

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12 Aug 2007, 10:46 pm

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...I don't think it is because of choosing a sexless lifestyle because of their religion beliefs as few people think. I don't really know if Ragtime actually believes that, probably he could claim homosexuality can be a result from it.


I can't see that at all. Indeed, Raggy would be
trying to make himself gay, in that case. :P


Oh, no -- an elementary mistake. I'm not surrounding myself with men in closed-off environments.


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12 Aug 2007, 10:49 pm

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...I don't think it is because of choosing a sexless lifestyle because of their religion beliefs as few people think. I don't really know if Ragtime actually believes that, probably he could claim homosexuality can be a result from it.


I can't see that at all. Indeed, Raggy would be
trying to make himself gay, in that case. :P


Oh, no -- an elementary mistake. I'm not surrounding myself with men in closed-off environments.


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12 Aug 2007, 10:52 pm

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As for the homo thought experiments, they never nulified my hetero cravings.


my how you change your tune so quickly

amazing.... really... it is


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12 Aug 2007, 10:54 pm

just thought of that southpark episode with ppl in the closet....
for some reason.......


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12 Aug 2007, 10:54 pm

It depends on who one is attracted to & has sex with.
Sexuality can go either way, just like orientation.
I'm straight, so I can't really say much about sexuality give the fact I'm slightly overweight.


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12 Aug 2007, 10:57 pm

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It depends on who one is attracted to & has sex with.
Sexuality can go either way, just like orientation.
I'm straight, so I can't really say much about sexuality give the fact I'm slightly overweight.


sweetie...... you have tons of sexuality you can talk about. i like guys somewhat bigger... adds momentum :lol:


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12 Aug 2007, 11:02 pm

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Well, my religion considers a person's intent above an outcome. For instance, I could have surrendered long ago to my lifelong urge to screw girls who wanted me, and could have said, "This is just who I am. Why fight it?" But since my Bible says sex is absolutely wrong outside of marriage, I reined myself in, and still do. I've never had sex with anyone but my wife, and have turned down plenty of offers for casual sex. Am I denying who I am, by demonstrating that I have control over my penis? No, because who I am IS a man who has control over his penis.


/sigh

you used this comparison in the homosexuality thread... or something close

the difference is that you stated your HOMO attraction was forced.... whereas your attraction to these girls has been "lifelong" as you're now putting it

but oh... wait... you avoided answering that question for so long that by the time you addressed it... you forgot what the direct comparison was and tried to pass it off as me being stupid and not understanding that you weren't ACUTALLY comparing the two things :roll: :roll: :roll:

this is the second time you're trying to make this case and it's still not gonna fly


Theory of Mind issues, we have. It's not going to get any better. :? Realize we're using slightly different mental languages, and things will make more sense. My attraction to girls has been lifelong, except for less than 1% that was asexual. As for the homo thought experiments, they never nulified my hetero cravings.

:oops: Guess I should have mentioned that earlier in the other thread -- so I wasn't so much momentarily gay as bi. But of course, neither you nor anyone else thought to ask me.


Quite with the Theory of Mind BS.... you do understand what a comparison is, don't you? I've explained the terms many times... of the things you're comparing... and you've parrotted them back to me, so i know you can at least type out the words.

you can't be that stupid

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And as for you being Bi as opposed to Gay.......... are you conceding a Difference? :roll: (this would not help your "comparison", nor would it help things you've said about gay vs bi elsewhere recently)

Stop being so L I T E R A L. I'm using the common definition of bi, which is, if I'm not mistaken, prefering both genders simultaneously, nearly simultaneously, or fairly interchangably.
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and if you really were even bi.... then that blatant loophole would have jumped out at you a bazillion yrs ago as a possible response to me thrashing your "comparison"....

so hardwired... so sad...
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which you're not even doing now.... cause you're not even bi.....

I'd probably be bi if it was okay with my God.
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i have contemplated F***ing women... that doesn't make me either of the two either

and i doubt someone even Bi would describe their attraction to the same sex as being "forced"... especially compared to their "lifelong" attraction to women :roll:

You still can't even PARROT MY WORDS. What I said, twice because it wasn't understood the first time, was that INITIALLY it felt forced, but THEN, the door to *Pandora's box was opened, and I reveled in my sin, quite to the utmost. (*I'm referring to the Greek Pandora, not the WP member.)
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you just keep getting more and more tangled in your own web

My brain is a scary place -- you don't wanna go there. The brick wall you keep banging your head on is that you will insist on quantifying my qualitatives. When I'm the slightest bit qualitative in my thinking, you say I'm lying. Use a little imagination! If I add a little poetry to my phrasings, don't take it like a frickin' computer!

But seriously, we need to be related before you can trash me this much.


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12 Aug 2007, 11:09 pm

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... but THEN, the door to *Pandora's box was opened, and I reveled in my sin, quite to the utmost. (*I'm referring to the Greek Pandora, not the WP member.)
....


Good, 'cause I thinks she's taken.



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12 Aug 2007, 11:10 pm

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... but THEN, the door to *Pandora's box was opened, and I reveled in my sin, quite to the utmost. (*I'm referring to the Greek Pandora, not the WP member.)
....


Good, 'cause I thinks she's taken.


Not surprised. She's one of the nicer members. She helps straighten progressively-spiraling threads.


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12 Aug 2007, 11:15 pm

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She helps straighten progressively-spiraling threads.


As a leading corkscrew, I'm
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12 Aug 2007, 11:30 pm

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Some Christian on here doesn't seem to understand what sexuality is.
So what does everyone else think it is?

As far as I'm concerned, whether someone is gay or straight (or whatever else) is determined by who they're attracted to, regardless of whether they act on that or not.
But apparently I'm 'abnormal' in thinking that.


Whether you're gay or not depends on whom you're attracted to? That reeks of redundancy. If you're a dude and you're attracted to a dude, that' makes you gay or a bisexual. If you're a dude and you're attracted only to girls, then you're a heterosexual. If you're a person who is attracted to both girls and guys, you're a bisexual. Period. I don't understand where the confusion begins.

I can begin to understand what the threadstarter is saying. He is saying that the sex of your lover is irrelevant. If you love him/her, you love him/her, and that arbitrarily defines your sexuality.

It's a silly interpretation of semantics. I agree that the label isn't particularly important, but it is important to most people.



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12 Aug 2007, 11:36 pm

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Stop being so L I T E R A L. I'm using the common definition of bi, which is, if I'm not mistaken, prefering both genders simultaneously, nearly simultaneously, or fairly interchangably.
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and if you really were even bi.... then that blatant loophole would have jumped out at you a bazillion yrs ago as a possible response to me thrashing your "comparison"....

so hardwired... so sad...
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which you're not even doing now.... cause you're not even bi.....

I'd probably be bi if it was okay with my God.
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i have contemplated F***ing women... that doesn't make me either of the two either

and i doubt someone even Bi would describe their attraction to the same sex as being "forced"... especially compared to their "lifelong" attraction to women :roll:

You still can't even PARROT MY WORDS. What I said, twice because it wasn't understood the first time, was that INITIALLY it felt forced, but THEN, the door to *Pandora's box was opened, and I reveled in my sin, quite to the utmost. (*I'm referring to the Greek Pandora, not the WP member.)
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you just keep getting more and more tangled in your own web

My brain is a scary place -- you don't wanna go there. The brick wall you keep banging your head on is that you will insist on quantifying my qualitatives. When I'm the slightest bit qualitative in my thinking, you say I'm lying. Use a little imagination! If I add a little poetry to my phrasings, don't take it like a frickin' computer!

But seriously, we need to be related before you can trash me this much.


1) if you want me to stop being literal... you're gonna have to keep straight definitions... you change them all the time

2) you seem to be help together with silly string and chewing gum....

3) be whatever you wanna be

4) know you're full of BS about the whole forced thing cause it took you pages upon pages of dodging the anwer to come up with that lame excuse

5) it's obvious you use a lot of imagination in anything you do... as you have a transient grasp on reality

6) we are related.... we had that monkey-like ancestor way back when.


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12 Aug 2007, 11:42 pm

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6) we are related.... we had that monkey-like ancestor way back when.


LMAOROTF!! !! :twisted:



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13 Aug 2007, 7:00 am

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I see, so you cant go out at all then? Surely you can take a GPS device out with you so you dont get lost. As for the anxiety, it cant be totally crippling otherwise you wouldnt be at a uni. Do you have actually no friends at all in your uni?
As for it being a game, it often is, most people with transgender issues have lots of other things as well on average. I do know what it is.

Well it was the psychologist that diagnosed me who said it was 'incapacitating' and it is possible to go to a university if you have anxiety, I took Prozac for a while for it and saw a counselor. My tutors are all aware of my AS and anxiety and I don't have to speak to anyone if I don't want to. I get dropped off at the building, go into my lectures/seminars, maybe go to the library after, and then get picked up and go home. I have no friends. I don't want any though really.
Being transgendered is not a game. I still don't understand exactly HOW you think it is.

Psychologists do tend to overstate stuff, if it was totally incapcitating you would not be able to leave your bed. As for having no friends, what are you going to do when you have no network and more or less no way to get a career. You at least need a good collection of acquantances to step into the game of life. You see now what I mean about gay rights being least of your worries right?
As for transgenderism, you do not wake up in the morning and see yourself as a bloke correct?

He didn't necessarily overstate anything, he even said my AS wasn't very severe. I'll take his opinion over yours. And no, I'm not a 'bloke.'



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13 Aug 2007, 7:02 am

Ragtime wrote:
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How else would I word it?
I wanted to know if people thought sexuality was about who you're attracted to o who you have sex with. And that's how I worded it. What would you have preferred?


"Is someone straight if they only want the opposite sex?"

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=41090

That's a completely different issue though. Of course someone's straight if they only want the 'opposite' sex. I wanted to know what it was exactly - attraction or f*****g. Something your lame thread didn't cover.



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13 Aug 2007, 7:08 am

frankwah wrote:
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Some Christian on here doesn't seem to understand what sexuality is.
So what does everyone else think it is?

As far as I'm concerned, whether someone is gay or straight (or whatever else) is determined by who they're attracted to, regardless of whether they act on that or not.
But apparently I'm 'abnormal' in thinking that.


Whether you're gay or not depends on whom you're attracted to? That reeks of redundancy. If you're a dude and you're attracted to a dude, that' makes you gay or a bisexual. If you're a dude and you're attracted only to girls, then you're a heterosexual. If you're a person who is attracted to both girls and guys, you're a bisexual. Period. I don't understand where the confusion begins.

I can begin to understand what the threadstarter is saying. He is saying that the sex of your lover is irrelevant. If you love him/her, you love him/her, and that arbitrarily defines your sexuality.

It's a silly interpretation of semantics. I agree that the label isn't particularly important, but it is important to most people.

I'm not the one that's confused. It's simple to me: if you're a man and you're only attrated to other men, then you're 'gay.' It's Ragtime who had a problem understanding this.