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07 Apr 2023, 4:59 pm

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It's not my job to convince you about anything.


When did your job become relevant? I don't care about your job, I care about your unsubstantiated claims that you keep making and expecting others to just mindlessly agree with.

We're talking about your ideas. Your ideas don't hold up to scrutiny and when this is pointed out your defence (at least today) appears to be a 100% concession that your ideas can't be defended.

Whether or not it's your job, if you can't make a compelling case to anyone except fellow followers of the faith, consider the possibility that your claims aren't as valuable or convincing as you'd like them to be.

CRT is a cult because my cult says so.

Cool story bro.


Whatever.

You can’t expect people not to refute your claim when you make one without valid evidence.

As someone who grew up in a cult, I’m not seeing a lot of parallels with CRT. It’s just fear-mongering.


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07 Apr 2023, 8:15 pm

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It's well know in the US that Heather Locklear is a Lumbee Indian in fact Locklear is a typical Lumbee surname. Lumbee have significant African ancestry.

https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/2020/12/02/5-things-know-lumbee-indian-tribe/6452596002/


My point was that so long as you could pass you slipped through the fascist gatekeepers



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07 Apr 2023, 9:40 pm

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They have, a majority of white Americans have at least one slave ancestor. There's a famous case where a white supremacist leader who was so confident of his ancestry ended up having a rude shock



If it can happen to Cobb then it tells me the further back your ancestry goes in America, the more likely you'll bump into a slave in your family treee


I remember that one. He later disputed the accuracy of the test - not without basis as it turns out and had other DNA tests done that showed he was a rather more boring mix of various European ethnicities.


Unfortunately, politics can and does insinuate itself into politically sensitive investigation/research.
The "trick" is to find ppl with integrity who won't be influenced by grant funding, as an example.

I have no reason to believe this is happening in this case.
I am simply making a GENERAL statement as a result of OTHER instances.



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07 Apr 2023, 9:47 pm

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I remember that one. He later disputed the accuracy of the test - not without basis as it turns out and had other DNA tests done that showed he was a rather more boring mix of various European ethnicities.
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I accept DNA tests have questionable accuracy. However Cobb's original test was not just based of "frequency" it was also based on presence of sub-Saharan markers.



My understanding is that "humanity" originated in Africa and were ALL dark-skinned ppl.
I could Google, but Meh.
Probably too off-topic.



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07 Apr 2023, 9:49 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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CRT is not historiography, CRT is a cult.


Can you substantiate this assertion or should we just take your word for it?


I've explained repeatedly here on WP that CRT is based on he postmodernist and neo-marxist Frankfurt school of philosophy. I believe that both Marxism and postmodernism are harmful ideological systems that resemble cults, quite successful cults at that. Now do I need to explain why Marxism and postmodernism are harmful cults?


You've provided an explanation, but it wasn't very compelling and didn't prove your point.

That's my point.

Your opinion might be that all these schools of thought you disagree with are cults, but your own ideology appears to be just as much of a cult as what you condemn.


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07 Apr 2023, 9:53 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
It's not my job to convince you about anything.


When did your job become relevant? I don't care about your job, I care about your unsubstantiated claims that you keep making and expecting others to just mindlessly agree with.


"Let he without sin cast the first stone."
I will remember what you have said here.

Also:
"Ppl in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

This is not an attack on you.
This is questioning your argument construction based on your debating history.



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07 Apr 2023, 10:31 pm

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My understanding is that "humanity" originated in Africa and were ALL dark-skinned ppl.
I could Google, but Meh.
Probably too off-topic.


The last country holding out against the Out of Africa theory was (funny enough) China. They deployed their top geneticists to prove that Chinese people evolved in China (not Africa).

However despite that attempt, genes don't lie
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

However, as they say, the horse bolted long ago (400 years to be exact). The damage was done. Reconstructed beliefs coupled with scientific racism fed into Europe and America and have contaminated generations of people.



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07 Apr 2023, 10:37 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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My understanding is that "humanity" originated in Africa and were ALL dark-skinned ppl.
I could Google, but Meh.
Probably too off-topic.


The last country holding out against the Out of Africa theory was (funny enough) China. They deployed their top geneticists to prove that Chinese people evolved in China (not Africa).

However despite that attempt, genes don't lie
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

However, as they say, the horse bolted long ago (400 years to be exact). The damage was done. Reconstructed beliefs coupled with scientific racism fed into Europe and America and have contaminated generations of people.


In your face, the CCP. 8)



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08 Apr 2023, 4:30 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
It's not my job to convince you about anything.


When did your job become relevant? I don't care about your job, I care about your unsubstantiated claims that you keep making and expecting others to just mindlessly agree with.

We're talking about your ideas. Your ideas don't hold up to scrutiny and when this is pointed out your defence (at least today) appears to be a 100% concession that your ideas can't be defended.

Whether or not it's your job, if you can't make a compelling case to anyone except fellow followers of the faith, consider the possibility that your claims aren't as valuable or convincing as you'd like them to be.

CRT is a cult because my cult says so.

Cool story bro.


Whatever.

You can’t expect people not to refute your claim when you make one without valid evidence.

As someone who grew up in a cult, I’m not seeing a lot of parallels with CRT. It’s just fear-mongering.


Well, I already explained about what isn't right about CRT. It's methodology originates in the Frankfurt school. It's a postmodernist and neo-marxist school of philosophy. Now I hope I don't need to bring evidence about why Marxism is evil. About postmodernism I understand that some people might be less familiar with it and it might be required to explain why I think it's garbage. I believe it's garbage because I don't agree with it's epistemology. I believe that our only way to draw valid conclusions about the world is through the scientific method. Postmodernism 's epistemology is language based and a priori. It's basically word salad. So that's what CRT is, a word salad garbage, marxist evil cult. You can believe in it, but you can't push it on other people's kids.



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08 Apr 2023, 4:56 am

Dengashinobi wrote:

Well, I already explained about what isn't right about CRT. It's methodology originates in the Frankfurt school. It's a postmodernist and neo-marxist school of philosophy. Now I hope I don't need to bring evidence about why Marxism is evil. About postmodernism I understand that some people might be less familiar with it and it might be required to explain why I think it's garbage. I believe it's garbage because I don't agree with it's epistemology. I believe that our only way to draw valid conclusions about the world is through the scientific method. Postmodernism 's epistemology is language based and a priori. It's basically word salad. So that's what CRT is, a word salad garbage, marxist evil cult. You can believe in it, but you can't push it on other people's kids.


It scares me when I come across ppl who don't understand the importance of " Scientific Methodology".
I embrace belief systems based on reason, not feelings.
"Feelings" can be much more easily used to control/brainwash ppl.
It is harder to influence those who embrace critical thinking skills.



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08 Apr 2023, 9:25 pm

Dengashinobi wrote:
I believe that our only way to draw valid conclusions about the world is through the scientific method. Postmodernism 's epistemology is language based and a priori. It's basically word salad. So that's what CRT is, a word salad garbage, marxist evil cult. You can believe in it, but you can't push it on other people's kids.


Please provide concrete evidence of your claims that CRT is being pushed on kids?



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08 Apr 2023, 9:33 pm

Dengashinobi wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Dengashinobi wrote:
It's not my job to convince you about anything.


When did your job become relevant? I don't care about your job, I care about your unsubstantiated claims that you keep making and expecting others to just mindlessly agree with.

We're talking about your ideas. Your ideas don't hold up to scrutiny and when this is pointed out your defence (at least today) appears to be a 100% concession that your ideas can't be defended.

Whether or not it's your job, if you can't make a compelling case to anyone except fellow followers of the faith, consider the possibility that your claims aren't as valuable or convincing as you'd like them to be.

CRT is a cult because my cult says so.

Cool story bro.


Whatever.

You can’t expect people not to refute your claim when you make one without valid evidence.

As someone who grew up in a cult, I’m not seeing a lot of parallels with CRT. It’s just fear-mongering.


Well, I already explained about what isn't right about CRT. It's methodology originates in the Frankfurt school. It's a postmodernist and neo-marxist school of philosophy. Now I hope I don't need to bring evidence about why Marxism is evil.


You make a glaring flaw by insisting that Marxism is inherently evil because evil dictatorships have been inspired by it. Great evils have been inspired by Christianity and Islam; capitalism has also caused great evils. We still don't dismiss these things as inherently evil as a result though.

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About postmodernism I understand that some people might be less familiar with it and it might be required to explain why I think it's garbage. I believe it's garbage because I don't agree with it's epistemology. I believe that our only way to draw valid conclusions about the world is through the scientific method. Postmodernism 's epistemology is language based and a priori. It's basically word salad. So that's what CRT is, a word salad garbage, marxist evil cult. You can believe in it, but you can't push it on other people's kids.


It's funny you complain about word salad when your own arguments often resemble word salad, with lots of buzzwords intended to appeal to a visceral dislike of leftism rather than any rational substance.

At the end of the day you seem to be conceding that you can't prove it's a cult, you just disagree strongly because buzzwords.


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08 Apr 2023, 9:54 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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I believe that our only way to draw valid conclusions about the world is through the scientific method. Postmodernism 's epistemology is language based and a priori. It's basically word salad. So that's what CRT is, a word salad garbage, marxist evil cult. You can believe in it, but you can't push it on other people's kids.


Please provide concrete evidence of your claims that CRT is being pushed on kids?


There are SOME cases where rogue teachers have don't this.
I made a thread with youtube videos on this, remember?



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08 Apr 2023, 9:55 pm

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It's funny you complain about word salad when your own arguments often resemble word salad, with lots of buzzwords intended to appeal to a visceral dislike of leftism rather than any rational substance.


I was also going to point out that out but lately I've been reported for "attacking vulnerable people" by pointing things out



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08 Apr 2023, 9:57 pm

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You make a glaring flaw by insisting that Marxism is inherently evil because evil dictatorships have been inspired by it. Great evils have been inspired by Christianity and Islam; capitalism has also caused great evils. We still don't dismiss these things as inherently evil as a result though.


I don't know much about Marxism.
Could you give examples of where Marxism has been successful?



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08 Apr 2023, 9:59 pm

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I believe that our only way to draw valid conclusions about the world is through the scientific method. Postmodernism 's epistemology is language based and a priori. It's basically word salad. So that's what CRT is, a word salad garbage, marxist evil cult. You can believe in it, but you can't push it on other people's kids.


Please provide concrete evidence of your claims that CRT is being pushed on kids?


There are SOME cases where rogue teachers have don't this.
I made a thread with youtube videos on this, remember?


Yeah but rogue teachers aren't all teachers Pepe. Remember that you need to actually "train" teachers in CRT and there is not a shred (not even one case) of where education boards require teachers to receive CRT training as part of their accreditation to teach subjects like history or social studies. Beyond those two subjects the whole CRT debate is a non-sequitur and has nothing to do with K1-K12 education anywhere in the western world.