Socialism and Relationships

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So you're lonely and you want the state to issue you a wife?

I think Ronald Regan said it the best when he observed that the scariest thing anyone could ever say would be the following, "I'm with the government and I'm here to help you."

If you're lonely then go out and do something about it. Join a club. Go to church. Work as a community volunteer. By doing any or all of these things, you will meet people.

Socialism is a failed experiment. Look at the disaster that was the Soviet Union. For that matter, look at what's going on in Venezuela. Without the incentives of merit based promotions, pay raises, and bonuses, some workers won't pull their own weight. Some will be late to work. Some will take extended coffee breaks. They'll do just the bare minimum to get by.

I can only imagine the type of hairy, belching, wart covered, buck toothed, smelly wife that one might be issued under such a system. No thank you! I'd rather make my own mistakes when it comes to relationships.

Hairy, belching, wart covered, smelly women deserve love as much as you do.

Socialism and the Soviet Union were related like love and marriage, a little, but not much。We can discuss better institutions and then create them

Apparently the concept of equality is still not widespread enough in your area, and everyone needs to buy too much deodorant, hair remover, beauty products to follow the fashion created by the rich. These poor people are the ones waiting for liberation, in fact most of people are.

No need to waste money on crazy luxurious products when you have thing that's called "shower". There are people struck by capitalist-induced poverty that cannot even afford to shower at all. Why bother wasting money on perfumes and beauty products? Is that what makes a man and a woman beautiful? Well, only for a short while but what really matters is their intent to truly have good faith in one another.

Well, Yugoslavia had a tolerant level of socialism and humanity, unlike those totalitarian states. Yugoslavia's self-management as well as trade with the West and East thanks to Market Socialism managed to help Yugoslavia recover from WW2 and become a major power in the Balkans and even Europe. It maintained the fourth-largest army in Europe. It had the least amount of deaths under a communist government (about 100,000 were killed). It didn't have high levels of corrupt bureaucracy until Josip Broz Tito died. After Tito's death and the oil crisis, debt grew in Yugoslavia and they became more dependent on the IMF loans while the bureaucracy began to intensify its ethno-nationalist and separatist agenda from Serbia which called for the ethnic cleansing of other Yugoslavs and the establishment of the Serbian empire which failed in the 1990s when nations broke free from other nationalists which resulted in a bloody ethnic war from 1991 to 1995 as well as an insurgency in Kosovo from 1998 to 1999.

The USSR under Stalin had mass famine caused by rapid collectivization, rapid industrialization, and poor investments in agriculture which led to poor harvests because Stalin was wasting resources in fighting a war against the kulaks. There was also political paranoia which led to mass purges by Stalin which nearly hindered the Soviet structure and almost had the USSR lose WW2 until they managed to reorganize mid-WW2 and push back the Germans to Berlin.

China under Mao had a similar outcome. Mao's Great Leap Forward led to a massive famine which resulted in between 15 million and over 50 million deaths. Instead of Mao investing money in agriculture to prevent such a high death toll and avoid bad harvests, he blamed the rightists and made anti-Rightist campaigns. Officials didn't bother to report the economic disaster that the Great Leap Forward brought and have often exaggerated the surpluses but the Chinese economy didn't boom until 1978 when Deng Xiaoping began pushing for a "socialist market economy" which led to a drastic increase in GDP making China even one of the fastest-growing economies with annual rates remaining 10% for over 30 years. However, many anti-capitalists have criticized this model calling it a form of state capitalism.

Despite the call-outs of the presence of state capitalism in China, the reforms proved quite worthy as this led to a mass decrease in poverty. From 1981 to 2019, the percentage of people living in extreme poverty in China decreased from 88% to 0.2% (World Bank estimate). The IMF in 2023 even predicted that China will continue to grow economically. However, despite the success achieved by Deng Xiaoping's state capitalist reforms, China still has a very high percentage of government debt amounting to 82% of the GDP in 2023. China does however perform better in terms of the US. Not only it has higher GDP per PPP but it also has a lower Gini index of 37.1 and is ranked medium by that (World Bank, 2020) while the US in 2021 ranked high with 49.4 score of the Gini index (USCB estimate).

China is ironically one of the main trade partners of the US having contributed 21.4% to the imports to the US in 2021. China also has the highest current account balance with over 250 billion USD (2023, IMF) while the US is in negative with nearly 1 trillion USD making it the highest deficit (2022, IMF). So in terms of capitalism, China literally beats the United States while also maintaining a lower inequality distribution than the US which says a lot about a socialist state with state capitalism being able to outperform the liberal capitalist state in terms of economy.

Did Socialism fail? Well yes, but actually no. The hope for socialism grows and there are still nations in the world that are classified as socialist states, but it's just that they don't have good governments and are often corrupted bureaucrats that make socialism a bad example. I do not deny any of the atrocities committed by the communist regimes as lessons of history are very important to avoid repeating these mistakes and one day achieve socialism with a human face.

It's not unusual that a person might have access to perfume but not have an opportunity to take a shower. For example, a homeless person who boosts perfume from a store. Or they can buy really cheap perfume.

Hence why we need to invest more money in hygiene. Hygiene is a priority and should be mandatory. A dirty body is dangerous for health of the human being and people need to be clean not for just beauty reasons but to also avoid having bacteria infections.

Well you could set up public showers, but getting people to use them would be more challenging than you probably expect. And forcing them to do so would be unacceptable to Westerners.

Something like that. Also it's funny that you said how forcing them to do so would be unacceptable to Westerners because that is very similar to making people stay home and wear masks to avoid getting infected by COVID-19 and then you have the crazy Republican conservatives protest because it "violates their freedom".

That mentality isn't limited to the US.

Indeed. You also have these crazy liberal right-wingers in other countries that would oppose the idea of public showers because their mentality is stuck to "Don't Tread on Me" and think that it "violates their freedom".

Liberal democracies have a PTSD for absolute monarchs, so much so that they subconsciously protect their own power, even if it is not good to do so in some cases.
It is the right thing to do, and I support it, before people really fully realize the face of society.

I wonder why America has so many guns...

so？

To prevent someone from forcing them to leave, pay taxes, stay home or take a shower

Last edited by belijojo on 11 Jan 2024, 8:02 am, edited 1 time in total.

Just sayin' cause America is best known for having so many guns and yet they wonder why so many school shootings happen every year.

Anyways, this is rather getting off-topic. I wanna know who else has something to say in regards to the MAROF system that I hereby propose as a vital institution for a socialist state.