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Tucker Carlson wanted to know: What does Nick Fuentes actually believe?

“Everybody’s going to be like, ‘You’re a Nazi, you just like Fuentes,’” the former Fox News personality mused on his show Tuesday. “But then I’m like, ‘I don’t think Fuentes is going away. Ben Shapiro tried to strangle him in the crib in college, and now he’s bigger than ever.’”

So Carlson invited the avowed antisemite and white nationalist livestreamer onto his online talk show. There, the two had a friendly conversation about the Jews, and whether it was right to blame them for everything.

And Fuentes, whose own platform has only grown in the wake of the assassination of conservative archrival Charlie Kirk, made clear what he believes. Asked who in the conservative movement needed to be taken down, he responded, “These Zionist Jews.”

The sit-down, which had been rumored for weeks, carries implications for the growing popularity of antisemitism and anti-Israel voices on the right. Both men have followings in the millions, and Carlson has maintained close ties in US President Donald Trump’s orbit even as he has become a vociferous critic of Israel and helped platform Holocaust revisionists.

Fuentes, meanwhile, has launched a far-right attack on mainstream conservatives using antisemitism as his chief plank — an ideology that an increasing number of young conservative operatives are also embracing. On YouTube, the top comments under the two-hour episode were rife with antisemitic memes.

Even as he signalled broad alignment with Fuentes’s views on Israel, Carlson gently sought to distinguish himself from his guest’s more overt antisemitism.

“I’m not that interested in ‘the Jews,’ but I am very interested in the foreign policy question,” Carlson said at one point, bringing up his fingers for air quotes. Later, he told Fuentes, “The second you’re like, ‘Well, actually, it’s the Jews,’ first of all, it’s against my Christian faith. Like, I just don’t believe that and I never will. Period. And second, then it becomes a way to discredit. That’s when I was like, ‘This guy’s a fed.’”

In response, the young man who opens his “America First” online shows with animated depictions of Jewish conspiracies outlined his own core belief: that “neoconservatism,” an ideology he opposes, is Jewish in nature because it prioritizes allegiance to Israel over traditional conservative principles.

“As far as the Jews are concerned, you cannot actually divorce Israel and the neocons and all those things that you talk about from Jewishness: ethnicity, religion, identity,” Fuentes told Carlson. While some Jews do oppose Israel, he acknowledged, among his enemies in conservatism, “I see Jewishness as the common denominator.”

Fuentes continued, “They’re a stateless people. They’re unassimilable. They resist assimilation for thousands of years. And I think that’s a good thing. And now they have this territory in Israel. There’s a deep religious affection for the state. It’s bound up in their identity.” Modern neoconservatism, he said, stemmed from “Jewish leftists who were mugged by reality when they saw the surprise attack in the Yom Kippur War.”

Fuentes insisted he doesn’t hate all Jews: “Not to be that guy and say that thing, but my best friend is a Jewish person,” he said, also claiming his “assistant” is Jewish (it was unclear if he was referring to the same person). He then went on to blend his understanding of Jewish American anxieties, some of which have been articulated by leading Jewish communal figures, with the dual-loyalty trope.

“If you are a Jewish person in America, it’s sort of rational self-interest, politically, to say, ‘I am a minority. I am a religious, ethnic minority. This is not really my home. My ancestral home is in Israel,’” Fuentes said. “They have this international community across borders, extremely organized, that is putting the interests of themselves before the interests of their home country.”

Even beyond Israel, Fuentes also sought to paint Judaism as incompatible with the European tradition to which America’s modern right aspires. “They hate the Romans because the Romans destroyed the Temple,” he said. “We don’t think that, as Americans and white people.”

To hear Fuentes tell it, his radicalization was a story of first being taken in by, before later rebelling against, influential Jewish conservatives. Israel was his breaking point, he insisted.

Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin and Dennis Prager were his right-wing heroes in high school, Fuentes said; he would parrot Shapiro talking points in debates and was a member of a Facebook group for young fans of PragerU. As a college freshman in 2017 he fell into the orbit of The Daily Wire, Shapiro’s media company, after a debate against his school’s progressive student body president went viral. Fuentes would soon drop out of college to pursue conservative media full-time.

Quickly, Fuentes claimed, he became suspicious of Shapiro’s pro-Israel views. When a staffer asked him if he had any interest in traveling to Israel, he responded, “No, I think I have everything I need right here in America…. And that was a little bit of foreshadowing.”

Later, he said, he would challenge Daily Wire staff: “I would say, ‘So, why do we give Israel all this money?’” he recalled. “They would say, ‘You’re asking it in an antisemitic way.’”

But Fuentes, in his recollection, “was genuinely inquisitive. I wanted to know. Is there an actual reason?… There’s a lot of these neocon Jewish types behind the Iraq War.” The Daily Wire’s rejection of his questions on Israel, he said, spurred his shunning across the broader mainstream conservative movement and led to him going independent with his preaching of more insidious forms of Jewish control.

Comparing himself to Shapiro, Fuentes reflected, “I didn’t come from some strange background. I come from a normal home. My parents are Catholic.” (In recent weeks, Shapiro and some other voices on the right have warned of a rise in antisemitic conspiracies among their ranks.)

Even as Fuentes became a Trump loyalist in the run-up to the 2016 election, he said, he broke with conservatives by supporting president Barack Obama’s decision to abstain from, rather than back, a National Security Council resolution condemning Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

“Fox News and all the pro-Israel conservatives are calling him an antisemite. They’re saying, ‘He hates Jews! He’s an antisemite! He hates Israel!’” Fuentes recalled. “It seemed hypocritical. It seemed like how, when conservatives would critique anything about race, we got called racist. Or anything about feminism, we got called sexist. All Obama did was uphold US policy on the West Bank that we’ve had since ’67, which is, we don’t support the settlements. I said, how is it antisemitic to just be consistent on our US foreign policy?”

On Israel, Carlson said, they agreed.

“I always thought it’s great to criticize and question our relationship with Israel because it’s insane and it hurts us,” Carlson told him. “We get nothing out of it. I completely agree with you there.” He also blasted Christian Zionists on the right he used to support, including US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee, whom he said have been “seized by this brain virus.”

Later discussing the war in Gaza, Carlson added, “One of the reasons I’m mad about Gaza is because the Israeli position is, everyone who lives in Gaza is a terrorist because of how they were born, including the women and the children. That’s not a Western view. That’s an Eastern view. That’s non-Christian. That’s totally incompatible with Christianity and Western civilization. They say, ‘Oh, we’re the defenders of Western civilization.’ Not with that attitude, you’re not.”

The two did agree on some Jews they both respect, including Glenn Greenwald, an iconoclastic Israel critic formerly on the left who himself hosted Fuentes recently on his own podcast, and Paul the Apostle.

Elsewhere, the men discussed whom Fuentes wants to see be president next (he picked Ye, the superstar rapper who has embraced Nazism) and his 2022 dinner at Mar-a-Lago with Ye and Trump, where Fuentes said the once and future president said, “This guy’s hardcore. I like this guy.” (Trump has since claimed he didn’t know who Fuentes was when they dined together.)

When asked to share his unfettered core beliefs with Carlson, Fuentes obliged, painting a vision of a future America that Jews did not have the right to inherit.

“We do need to be right-wing. We do need to be Christian. We do, on some level, need to be pro-white,” he said. “Not to the exclusion of everybody else, but recognizing that white people have a special heritage here, as Americans.”

^^^ Yeah I agree with that line of thought

Problem is politics is becoming like the the English football league

except...you can change football teams, but in terms of identity you are stuck at being who you are.
And that's why the white right will always suck to me.

Thats one of the key differences between the right and the left that the left can't understand - the left wing presumably because of it's "inclusivity" feels compelled to defend everyone in it's ranks up to and including the lunatics and evil tyrants, and it seems they assume that of the right - but most actual right of centres would think hitler & anyone who speaks good of him to be some kind of C***.

Thats one of the key differences between the right and the left that the left can't understand - the left wing presumably because of it's "inclusivity" feels compelled to defend everyone in it's ranks up to and including the lunatics and evil tyrants, and it seems they assume that of the right

The "white right will always suck" cuts to the core of whats wrong with western lefties, it seems to be the entire ideology in a nutshell, to the point that what are actual fanatical far-right wing extremists (of non-western origin) are being defended and whitewashed, as far as I can tell, simply because they're in the crosshairs of worry for western right-of-centre types. "

In fact the left sells out it's every last value in attacking "the right"

Thats one of the key differences between the right and the left that the left can't understand - the left wing presumably because of it's "inclusivity" feels compelled to defend everyone in it's ranks up to and including the lunatics and evil tyrants,

A civil war over the direction of the conservative movement and who should be considered part of it erupted after Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts posted a video Thursday defending Tucker Carlson for interviewing white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

The statement sparked backlash from Republican senators and a number of traditionally conservative organizations — and from staffers within the Heritage Foundation itself who say that Fuentes, who is known for antisemitic commentary, and his ideas are not worthy of debate.

“Nick Fuentes is a disgusting, anti-American, antisemitic loser. He is not a conservative, not America First, and not an ally of President Trump or any conservative organization,” one Heritage staffer, granted anonymity to share candid thoughts, told The Hill. “In his own words, Nick Fuentes is an ally of Stalin, Hitler, and the Taliban. That is not someone with ideas worthy of debate. Conservatives should pray he gets the help he needs, not give him even an inch of space in our movement.”

But Roberts had also gotten strong backup from the heads of other conservative groups and commentators with influence in the Trump administration, like former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, who argued it should not be controversial to debate U.S. aid to Israel and that attempts to “cancel” those with opposing views are not productive.

Following the uproar, Roberts posted another statement Friday more explicitly condemning the antisemitism from Fuentes and his followers, but not backing down from his defense of Carlson conducting the interview.

Roberts, who has made the leading conservative think tank more aligned with the MAGA base, posted a video statement Thursday asserting that the “venomous coalition attacking” Carlson over the interview is “sowing division” and that the “attempt to cancel him will fail.”

Roberts went far beyond defending Carlson, who is a personal friend of the Heritage Foundation president and has spoken at Heritage in the past. He warned against attacking friends to the right rather than political adversaries on the left. He argued that “canceling” Fuentes “is not the answer,” despite him saying things Roberts abhors, and that his ideas should be challenged and debated.

The statement appalled a large portion of the political right, who have spent years trying to distance themselves from Fuentes and his “groyper” white nationalist followers and feared them being seen as part of the conservative coalition.
Republican Jewish Coalition CEO Matt Brooks told Jewish Insider on Thursday that there would be a “reassessment” of the organization’s relationship with the Heritage Foundation after the initial statement.

Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the former GOP leader in the Senate, pushed back on Roberts in a post on social platform X. “Last I checked, ‘conservative should feel no obligation’ to carry water for antisemites and apologists for America-hating autocrats,” McConnell said. “But maybe I just don’t know what time it is.”

Advancing American Freedom, another conservative think tank founded by former Vice President Mike Pence, directly countered the statement from Roberts with a video statement from its president, Tim Chapman.

Some in our movement are playing a dangerous game, trading the flame of conservative principle for the flames of populist outrage,” Chapman said, arguing that Carlson and Fuentes are “unleashing a whirlwind that threatens to destroy” what conservatives have built. Inviting “open antisemites into our ranks,” he said, “will only fracture our movement.”

Backlash to Roberts’s statement also came from within the Heritage Foundation itself.
Heritage staffers appeared to respond to Roberts on X, as Mediaite reported, with one tax policy research fellow Preston Brashers posting a meme that said “Nazis are bad.” Richard Stern, the director of the think tank’s economic policy institute and federal budget center, added, “Evidently, a truth that is never more than one generation away from being forgotten.” Daniel Fleish, senior policy analyst for Middle East and North Africa at Heritage, said he stood by his colleagues for stating that “obvious fact.”

Roberts made the initial statement in part to beat back speculation that Heritage was trying to distance itself from Carlson, he said in a post. After Carlson’s interview with Fuentes posted on Monday, a post on X started circulating that said the Heritage Foundation had scrubbed a reference to Carlson from a donation page. Roberts and Carlson are personal friends, and he has featured Carlson at Heritage events in the past.

Following the significant backlash, Roberts elaborated Friday on what he abhors about Fuentes’s views in another statement.

“Nick Fuentes’s antisemitism is not complicated, ironic, or misunderstood. It is explicit, dangerous, and demands our unified opposition as conservatives. Fuentes knows exactly what he is doing. He is fomenting Jew hatred, and his incitements are not only immoral and un-Christian, they risk violence,” Roberts said.

“Our task is to confront and challenge those poisonous ideas at every turn to prevent them from taking America to a very dark place. Join us—not to cancel—but to guide, challenge, and strengthen the conversation, and be confident as I am that our best ideas at the heart of western civilization will prevail,” Roberts said.

While Roberts fielded a wave of backlash, he also got a good amount of backup from others on the MAGA right with connections to — and influence within — the Trump administration.
“I mean, what a state of the country when that’s controversial,” Bannon said on his “War Room” show Friday. “That’s pretty basic. Dr. Roberts, pretty straight guy, pretty straightforward guy.”
Eric Teetsel, president of the Center for Renewing America think tank that was founded by now-Office of Management and Budget Director Russell Vought, posted that Roberts had made an “excellent statement” and that he was “proud to stand with you and Heritage.”

Nick Solheim, CEO of the organization American Moment that has helped funnel young staffers into Trump administration roles, responded to the video with support of Roberts as a “leader for this moment” — adding, “I’ve never been more excited about where our movement is headed.”
The statement has turned up the fire on bubbling tensions on the right over Israel policy and antisemitism. Many claiming the banner of “America First” are questioning U.S. support for Israel — with some, like Fuentes, expressing antisemetic views alongside questioning U.S. financial support. At the same time, the Trump administration has frequently invoked its battle against antisemitism in its crusade against elite universities.

Roberts in his initial video statement had said that “Christians can critique the state of Israel without being antisemitic” and that when it does not serve the interests of the U.S. “conservatives should feel no obligation to reflexively support any foreign government, no matter how loud the pressure becomes from the globalist class or from their mouthpieces in Washington.”

An Evangelical Christian Zionist activist and founder of Proclaiming Justice to The Nations (PJTN), resigned on Thursday from the Heritage Foundation’s National Task Force to Combat Antisemitism, citing the think tank’s defense of Tucker Carlson after his interview with white nationalist Nick Fuentes. In a statement on Wednesday, Laurie Cardoza-Moore, said she would “stand down” unless Heritage “cut all ties with antisemites.”

“I proudly accepted the invitation to serve on the Heritage Foundation’s Task Force as a tool to fight Jew hatred, but I am being forced to stand down, unless they draw a clear line in the sand,” she said in a statement, adding that isolationist-conservative journalist “Tucker Carlson has rejected all the Hebrew roots of our Faith and Nation and replaced them with an ignorant populist philosophy.”

Cardoza-Moore also said, “As I have told Tucker in person and publicly, he is a dangerous antisemite, who endangers the lives of Jews worldwide by pushing lies to millions. The Heritage Foundation has built itself as a moral compass for American politics. It is high time that the Organization disavow Tucker and the Woke Right and encourage the Vice President to follow suit. One cannot fight antisemitism while also fanning the flames.”

Cardoza-Moore’s break with Heritage comes after previous public friction with Carlson. In June, The Jerusalem Post reported that Carlson urged Cardoza-Moore to apologize after she called him an antisemite in an op-ed.
Heritage launched the National Task Force to Combat Antisemitism in November 2023 and has promoted a playbook known as “Project Esther.” In the wake of the Carlson-Fuentes episode, at least some Jewish organizations have distanced themselves from Heritage’s antisemitism initiative, the Times of Israel reported.

Cardoza-Moore is also host of the television program Focus on Israel. PJTN has campaigned against antisemitism in education and on US campuses.

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Yes a whole bunch of “anti woke” people who 1. Thought they truly against censorship when it was them being targeted, but when it is “those snowflakes” have no problem at all. 2. Are disingenuous. These people are causing those of us who are legitimately anti what is now I guess is called the “woke left” to be thought of as liars or naive sheep. I hope the term woke right is embraced big time so I can observe woke right people squirm like all those people in the liberal tears videos they loved to post.

Because it was a moral panic, no more real than "the war on Christmas".

Wow, you woke up. I've already knew this and I noticed then they're against free speech if it's stuff they don't agree with like criticism against Trump, anything they see as woke when talking about human rights.

Right-wingers don't actually care about the Jewish community. They want Greater Israel to be established because they think it will bring about the End Times. They dream of a future where they get raptured and all the Jews they pretend to care about get sent to Hell to be tortured for eternity.