Are you worried about Political Correctness?

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Are you worried?
Yes! It's eroding freedom of speech! 58%  58%  [ 38 ]
No! 28%  28%  [ 18 ]
Not sure 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
Other 9%  9%  [ 6 ]
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08 Mar 2008, 3:38 pm

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anti-male things will stay in place though.



Can someone please explain to me what the "anti-male thing" is?



It's all in this link, written by a woman:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... u=feminazi

PS, not kissing someone's ass, or not overlooking the critical flaws in their logic, does not equate to being sexist or racist. I can respect someone's culture without kissing their ass and pretending that theyr always right. The unbias truth, based on external reality of facts, is that no race, gender, religion, nation, political party, etc is always right. That goes equal for minorities and majorities. So I'm not exactly what you'd call a conservative here either. If anything, getting offended that some don't accept biased double standards is a sexist/racist attitude in itself against whites/males. But oh yeah, that's right, according to the tao of PCness, whites and males don't deserve a right to defend our preservation or dignity, because whites/males --200 yrs ago-- did bad things in history. Wow, how open minded :roll:



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08 Mar 2008, 5:30 pm

The only "fact" political correctness challenges is that fact that some human beings behave like a**holes when they respond to their fellow human beings. I agree that it is not my job to put everybody at ease, I do believe that it is my job to be polite to anyone who has not forfeited the right to be treated politely. And people who have done nothing wrong have a right to be called by names thay have chosen for themselves, rather than ones I choose for them. I repeat, political correctness is moral correctness. Political correctness is politeness. Political correctmess fosters the honest pursuit of truth and information, not the opposite!



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08 Mar 2008, 6:45 pm

Well I guess I'm being repititious but yes, I think much of PC has gone too far. I used to be scared but now I'm just plain sick of it. Hey, if I'm not hurting anyone's feelings than I'm being Politcally Correct, right?



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08 Mar 2008, 10:01 pm

You can respect someone's culture without kissing their ass Bobby, and without them HAVING to always be right about everything, beyond question. I'm sorry but females/ethnics are just as human as whites/males, and are subject to the same faults. I view whitess/males critically, and I'll view them equally as critically. It's not to "be offensive".
You seem to be ok with reverse racism and reverse sexism here bobby. Is this because of guilt programming? Self-loathing? To fit into a political clique? Why is reverse discrimination any better than "normal" discrimination? What is the difference? I mean, discrimination is discrimination.
Do you really believe hypocritical bafoons like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and Louis Farakhan, are "progressive" and "open minded"? Al Sharpton has defended 3 black girls who beat down a white girl within nearly an inch of her life BECAUSE she was white... And Sharpton didn't even need to look at any facts or hear the story, before he heard ANYTHING he tried to flip it around and make the victim the assailant. But fine, if you find "kill wh***y" to be progressive then believe what you wanna believe.
You do know though, that the ability to reason is what sets humans aside from 4 legged creatures. People like you, and republicans too, are being made more and more dependent upon this system to the point where it kills you to have an independent thought. People, are loosing their ability to reason, and are being bred like cattle.
I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, I never actively say "hey I'm gonna offend this person". But I think the same standards of respect should apply to whites/males as they do ethnics/females, and vice versa. The right is biased against minorities, the left is biased against majorities. most people are too weak to view themselves critically. The truth is the truth, rather it fits into your nice, neatly packaged little thought box or not. Denial leads to consequences as a community, and as a society.
I don't see Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, or Louis Farakhan being any different than David Duke, or Mark Furhman. Do you think black racist speech can be offensive to innocent white people? Can female sexism not be just as offensive to innocent males? I guess not if your a self-loathing white male liberal.



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08 Mar 2008, 10:01 pm

Like with everything, political correctness can be taken to too much of an extreme. However, if political correctness is removed entirely, you might as well go back to the days when it was acceptable to be openly racist, sexist etc.


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08 Mar 2008, 10:17 pm

My point is, PCness is often just reverse bigotry. I think the whole term needs to be thrown out, instead people need to get to the heart of why people feel so prejudiced against one another. And that includes females/ethnics acknowledging their own bigotry too.
Al Shartpon is no different than David Duke, racism is racism, reguardless of who is the culprit and who is the victim. It's the same principal reguardless....

Bobby....Maybe I prefer to be called a European American? But actually, I don't, if you live in america, your american, period. You can still acknowledge your heritage, but an american is an american is an american. Personally, i think being divided by nationalities were a red heron to begin with. However, I don't trust the implications behind global government in the least. Even though our politics are a hoax, smoke and mirrors, the fact still remains that according to this smoke-and-mirror system we can't afford to put aside our borders at this point because it would create more problems for we the people (on both sides of the border) and ultimately NAFTA and big business would benefit at our expense. Big business interests are a threat to all of our liberty and freedom.
Same can be said for radical strains of feminism that are extremely anti-male. They are no different than extreme anti-female masculist groups.
Yet, as sickening as ignorance is (and I see it on these uber-conforming so-called "free thinking" aspie boards all the time, like right here) I don't think having an ignorant view itself should be illegal, because that is thought crime. I do think, however, that such ignorant people should be restricted from politically activating such divisive propaganda. That includes intolerant people from all sides, including but not excluded to minorities. It just gets frustrating trying to talk common since in people who don't wanna know anything that isn't in their little thought box (be it Christian supremacy or PCness). People are afraid of being free. People are being made dependent on big brother to do everything for them. People are being bred into good cattle, and loosing what made them human, now more than ever; the ability to reason.
Civil and human rights are NOT a team sport. Repeat; Civil and human rights are not a team sport. Rights shouldn't be up for grabs, and they shouldn't be a competition. All humans have unalienable rights to freedom. So cut the right/left s**t for a moment, I don't give a f**k what "team" your on.



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08 Mar 2008, 10:27 pm

Just out of curiosity though bobby, explain how "white boy" and "wh***y" are "morally correct" terms?

Even if you wanna say theyr not specifically PC terms, they'r OK'ed by PCness. This represents a big double standard, does it not?

Explain also, how Farakhan is any different than Mark Furhman?
Because I figured what actually made Furhman immoral was that he advocated violence against people for being a different color. Farakhan does that too. Ever heard of the uber-PC, violent, highly intolerant "New Black Panthers" (not black panthers but the "**new** black panthers")? How about the extremely anti-white "Nation of Islam"?
Or is it only immoral if whites target blacks for hate crimes, but not immoral if blacks target whites for hate crimes? I'm not grasping your logic here, but I'm not sorry for shooting holes in your delusional, hypocritical, fantasy land group think structure either.

Look man, I'm done here. If social cliques and group idnetity matter more to you than facts, your not ready to discuss this with me. Your simply not ready. You talk about truth, but you deny any truth that doesn't fit in your little package with a pretty pink bow. When your ready to ask questions, and ready to honestly seek truth, then talk to me. My point was never to offend anyone, but everyone should be responsible. We don't live in a responsible society. Now people have been dummied down to a child-like state. When your willing to rebel against yourself, then talk to me.



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09 Mar 2008, 5:45 am

snake321 wrote:
You talk about truth, but you deny any truth that doesn't fit in your little package with a pretty pink bow. When your ready to ask questions, and ready to honestly seek truth, then talk to me.


Im ready to hear the truth snake123! Tell me all about it, thanks for the link btw.

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09 Mar 2008, 4:38 pm

grain-and-field wrote:
snake321 wrote:
You talk about truth, but you deny any truth that doesn't fit in your little package with a pretty pink bow. When your ready to ask questions, and ready to honestly seek truth, then talk to me.


Im ready to hear the truth snake123! Tell me all about it, thanks for the link btw.

"I want the truth! You cant HANDLE the truth!"


Are you being serious, or sarcastic? If your serious, just pm me.



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09 Mar 2008, 5:30 pm

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PCness is little more than reverse bigotry, that's all it is.
What nincompoopery. Bigotry is bigotry. Its antonym is self-effacement.

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It's double standards against the majorities (whites and males). If you think man hating feminazis who seem to think sex is sexist unless it's 2 lesbians, and "kill wh***y" black seperatists such as farakhan, or sharpton, are "progressive", you need your head checked.
This proves that women are capable of misandry and that black people are capable of racist bigotry. Both of these are horrible. If you behave like an insensitive ass, though, I will call you an insensitive ass.

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Once again, PCness sensors the truth, to avoid offending people.
I am not sure about this "PCness." I consider this a term that politicians use to manipulate the weak-minded. They point out something that they want you to disagree with, and then they go off on the sort of tirade that you're delivering here. You could be made to believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth if the Heliocentric Theory were characterized as "PC."

Oh, but I am sure that many so-called egalitarians could be convinced that the world is flat if they were told it was more "tolerant."

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09 Mar 2008, 9:25 pm

You write "this proves that women can be sexist and blacks can be racist", then you go and say PCness is some made up term for the "weak minded" that apparently has no definition, right AFTER you had already agreed with the problems in PCness. AFTER I showed you what horrors this PC crap leads to, and you already agreed.
Maybe I do have a temper, I should work on that. I need to develope more patience. But it really gets frustrating arguing against common since. Which is why I'm thinking about leaving this forum, as I have a better forum to go to now.

But yeah, when I outlined the problems of the PCness trend, you agree with what I said, then turn around and pretend PCness is just some word made up for us "weak minded" people who believe that whites/males should be reguarded to an equal standard.

Is it **possible** that **your** weak minded? Is it possible that **your** are actually PC, you probably label yourself as a democrat therefore you'll back anything fundamental democrats believe, without question, you **say** "oh I don't agree with women being sexist or ethnics being racist", but then whenever you see it, it's presented to you all PC and you swallow it up. You'll rationalize it, in a way that flips the blame on the victims most likely. That argument will probably already be provided for you in the media or in a glossy celebrity magazine somewhere. And there will probably be TONS of others mimicking your indoctrinations too.



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09 Mar 2008, 9:27 pm

Only PC fanatics claim that PCness doesn't exist. It's a pathetic attempt at deflecting critical analysis of how they fit into their paradigm. Other people don't believe it, so they look at it critically. Double standards aren't "progressive", for right or left.



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09 Mar 2008, 9:30 pm

W/e I'm nearly through at these forums. There are a few people worth talking to here but I've got a better forum to go to now.



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10 Mar 2008, 12:22 am

snake321 wrote:
W/e I'm nearly through at these forums. There are a few people worth talking to here but I've got a better forum to go to now.
Heyy snake buddy, its been a while!
its me username :P



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10 Mar 2008, 8:13 am

Hey username, wzup? I see you have a new SN



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10 Mar 2008, 3:05 pm

snake321 wrote:
You write "this proves that women can be sexist and blacks can be racist", then you go and say PCness is some made up term for the "weak minded" that apparently has no definition, right AFTER you had already agreed with the problems in PCness. AFTER I showed you what horrors this PC crap leads to, and you already agreed.
No! NO! The problem is that the word "PC" has metamorphosed into a label that can be put upon anything! It means everything, therefore it means nothing! It's like the God that is the Universe: in being everything, he is nothing! YOU SEE!? YOU'RE JUST ASSIGNING A SEX TO THE UNIVERSE! THE UNIVERSE, HOWEVER, IS A CONFOUNDED HERMAPHRODITE! It's one of the things that I love about Spinozism! Spinoza's God has the best of both worlds! My logic proves it!

"Political Correctness" is too loaded a term. I will neither object to political correctness nor agree with it because I disagree with the term altogether. I consider it useless.

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Maybe I do have a temper, I should work on that. I need to develope more patience.
Ha! You should see me when I get angry. I'm not always this cool and mellow guy, you know.

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But yeah, when I outlined the problems of the PCness trend, you agree with what I said, then turn around and pretend PCness is just some word made up for us "weak minded" people who believe that whites/males should be reguarded to an equal standard.
God damn it! You've missed the point altogether! You see what happens when you get so set in your beliefs? Anything else just flies right over your head! I'm a whole other rainbow of ideas, dude. Women and black people have legitimate reasons for harbouring hurt feelings over past injustices. This doesn't excuse outright, blatant misandry in women, though, and it doesn't justify the worst kind of racism in black people. Women who question the relevance of men are no better than men who question the relevance of women beyond the bearing and rearing of their spawn, and black separatists are no better than the idiots who defended the Jim Crow laws. However, as annoying as it may be for black people to spark off a riot every time someone uses the nigger-word, it's really pretty god damned insensitive to use it with the knowledge that it's going to make them feel like crap to hear you say it! I'm on-board with desensitizing people to sensitive words, phrases and ideas, but there is a time and a place for it. Bringing them up in contexts that get people angry all over again makes things worse, not better! When truth would obscure truth, hold your tongue for a better time and place, or consider rephrasing.

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Is it **possible** that **your** weak minded? Is it possible that **your** are actually PC, you probably label yourself as a democrat therefore you'll back anything fundamental democrats believe, without question, you **say** "oh I don't agree with women being sexist or ethnics being racist", but then whenever you see it, it's presented to you all PC and you swallow it up. You'll rationalize it, in a way that flips the blame on the victims most likely. That argument will probably already be provided for you in the media or in a glossy celebrity magazine somewhere. And there will probably be TONS of others mimicking your indoctrinations too.
Nope! I've been third-way since I was a brat bent over my father's knee for telling him he was a dickless know-nothing for voting for Bill Clinton (I liked Perot at the time). I got thrown out of the house for calling him a stupid cock when he voted for Bush in 2004, and I didn't really get behind Obama until I heard that Bill Richardson's supporters regarded him as a "second choice." If the Democrats are stupid enough to nominate Hillary Clinton, I will vote for McCain even though he's a craven, chicken-hearted, two-faced twat. I still say that Obama is an empty-headed ninny, but he has more balls than McCain, whose face bears a striking resemblance to a vagina.

Being disappointed with the Republicans over their conduct over the past six years (and altogether hating Christianity) hasn't made me a whole-hearted Democrat, and I'm really too stubborn and perverse to really get behind any political party. This country will remain a useless gaggle of spineless nincompoops until they've elected me their god-king. That's my stand!