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29 Mar 2008, 7:44 pm

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I dunno, maybe the answer is to stop caring about race, one way or the other, and for people to let go of any feelings tied to race.... Maybe we just need to get to a point where we don't see it. We're neither proud nor ashamed, reguardless of what color we are.... But that's a long ways from happening.



This is where I stand. People focus too much on race and skin color instead of character and behavior. A person's character is really the most important aspect of who they are and sometimes people forget that.



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30 Mar 2008, 5:43 am

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I dunno, maybe the answer is to stop caring about race, one way or the other, and for people to let go of any feelings tied to race.... Maybe we just need to get to a point where we don't see it. We're neither proud nor ashamed, reguardless of what color we are.... But that's a long ways from happening.


Maybe not as far away as you think. A lot of us have been there for a while, not so much by not letting go of those feelings as by broadening them just a little, by realizing that all humans really do belong to one race, that we're quite literally all related, and how much the idea of different races among the human human race is all in our heads. It's just recently come to light that Barack Obama is an 8th cousin to Dick Ceney, an 11th cousin to George W Bush and a 9th cousin to Brad Pitt. Hillary Clinton is related to Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette, and John McCain is related to Laura Bush. You go back just a few tens of thousands of years, a ridiculously short time compared to the whole history of life on Earth, and every human being is directly related to every other one. 425 million years ago our ancestors were coelacanths, according to Richard Dawkins' book The Ancestor's Tale, and 75 million years ago they were rodents. I for one would like to see us evolve further. (Perhaps auties and aspies represent an evolutionary improvement, instead of having a disorder or brain damage as some researchers insist.) Having fewer erronuous ideas to fight over, like the notion of different human races, could only help us there.


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30 Mar 2008, 7:51 am

Iirc, the C.I.A. estimated that 50,000 sex slaves are smuggled into the U.S.A. annually. The Janjaweed militia in Sudan get their funds from slavery, from black Arabs in Darfur and from the Christian/Animist African tribes in Southern Sudan. There are weekly stories in the newspapers of young children being kidnapped or sold by their poor parents in rural villages in India, and most of them are sold to brothels in the cities, and a huge number of them end up in Goa, for the tourists.

As for the history about slavery, no need to be anti-Arab about it. I'm quite certain that schools in Arab countries teach children about how cruel and vicious slavery is, and how wrong they were in the past. But I'd also like to point out that, the Islamic version of slavery is very different. Iirc, in Islam, slaves were mostly given freedom, but had to pay a part of their income to their masters. In practice, however, the same old history of whipping, toiling, etc, is found. You can read the Wikipedia article for more info, although I haven't personally verified the sources.

As technology has advanced, slaves are no longer needed for chores such as fanning you, sweeping the floors...we have A/C's, vacuum cleaners, etc for those tasks. However, slavery will never disappear. Saudi Arabia was the last nation in the world to ban slavery, 49 years ago. I doubt, even 300 years into the future, that slavery will disappear. Quite shameful, really.



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30 Mar 2008, 8:41 pm

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Iirc, in Islam, slaves were mostly given freedom, but had to pay a part of their income to their masters


No, that's not correct. I think you may be confusing slaves with non-Moslims. In medieval Moslim countries, Christians and Jews and Zoroastrians were allowed to live among the general populace, but they had to pay taxes, and suffered a few other restrictions regarding things like carrying weapons, which professions they could practice and so forth. Moslims paid no taxes. Slaves in Islamic lands were pretty much at the mercy of their masters, like slaves at most times in most societies.

It's worth pointing out here that non-Moslims under medieval Moslim ruled enjoyed much more freedom than Jews under medieval Christian rule, and that there were almost no Moslims anywhere to be found in medieval Catholic Europe. When the Emperor Fredereick II brought Moslim scholars to to his court and to the universities he was founding in the 13th century, it caused a huge scandal. He was excommincated for his open-mindedness, and when he died, Pope Innocent IV was overjoyed at what he called "the death of the Antichrist."

I hope nobody thinks, because I'm pointing out some things about medieval history which may not be well-known, that I'm anti-European or blind to good things in European history or bad things in Islamic history, or that I haven't noticed that, in our own time, there is a lot of intolerance in a lot of Islamic countries.


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31 Mar 2008, 2:02 am

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The largest enslavement of whites on a historically signifigant scale was done NOT at the hands of the Arabs, but by the Turks,Mongols, and Tatars


What about the Roman Empire? If you add on medieval and Rennaissance Europe and the Nazis afterwards, and the Greeks beforehand, surely the vast majority of European slaves have been enslaved by Europeans.


Well this is true. Whites have probably enslaved more whites than anyone, and to be honest blacks have probably enslaved more blacks than anyone too (because theyr still enslaving their own people today in Africa)..... Slavery is slavery, no matter who is the victim, no matter who is the assailant. Slavery is not about race so much as it is about alienating unalienable human rights.
My main point in this thread though, more than discussing slavery, was to counter the PC "hate wh***y" mentality here by showing an instance where whites were oppressed by another race... We're we were the victims.
"This is most obnoxious part about being white. But its important to understand that this "expertise" is based on white peoples own self-hatred.

White people are so ignorant of history they actually believe that they’re the only people in history ever to have "oppressed" other people. They are also totally convinced that no people have ever "oppressed" white people.

The invasions and untold slaughters into Europe by the Mongols, Moors, Arabs, Turks, Huns, and other assorted Asian or North African peoples is one big blank of history. Even more comical is the idea that places like "the New World" were like great big Grateful Dead concerts before Europeans arrived. Never mind the Aztecs wiping out the Incas or sacrificing over 20,000 babies so the sun would rise in the morning, white people don’t want to hear it.

Don’t tell a white person that the Arab slave trade consumed 10 times more black Africans compared to their own slave trade as the white will explain that the Arabs treated their slaves much better. And NEVER bring up the fact to a white person that the Muslims also enslaved an untold number of white slaves out of Europe during the "Dark Ages."

This is a form of White supremacism that is very misunderstood. Its basically telling the world "well, we expect you to slaughter, invade, colonize people but we’re white, so its very bad if we do it and not so much if you do." Its basically telling the world that their a bunch of animals, who of course act like animals but only whites should be held accountable because they’re white (Read: Human).

The reason whites become "experts" in other cultures is to suppress the hate they feel towards their own feelings of superiority. It sounds confusing but its kind of like letting your little niece win in checkers to make her feel good and afterwords feeling bad about it. A white person must never show any positive feelings towards anything accomplished by a white person but must always point out that when a non-white accomplishes something that they were the "first" fill-in-the-blank to do so. At the same time, if a white person accomplishes something its for "humanity" or for "mankind." To you non-whites reading this, I know this must sound confusing as hell but we’re a very strange people.


Hey wait a sec! The Aztecs were in what is now Mexico and the Inca's were much further south in what is now Peru and Northern Chile! I've Never heard of any such genocide against the Inca's by the Aztecs. Since WHEN did they have any contact with each other? The word "slave" comes from the word Slav. Because in fact Slavs were the people of choice for the slave trading Turks and Mongols of central asia. The Golden Horde AND the Selcuk(Ottoman) Turks relied on a people know as the Turkomans(Turkmen) to kidnap and round up white eastern europeans and then sold them to the (Ottoman)Turks as slaves.
This was FAR more extensive than anything carried out by the Moors and Arabs. Rumour has it that modern enslavement of whites is taking place in US prisons at the hands of blacks since black men are the majority of the prison population.



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31 Mar 2008, 2:15 am

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There are other reasons to hate the Arabs.



i realize from your statement that you're not very smart so i'll spell it out for you:


snake321 was trying to point out that everyone, including whites, have been oppressed at some point and was more trying to point out something that's neglected in history, not trying to incite hatred against a race.


so, you know, you can stop being an ignoramus.



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31 Mar 2008, 3:00 am

Well all I have to say is slavery's been going on for thousands and thousands of years.


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01 Apr 2008, 10:52 am

For me, the original link was blocked due to intolerance and extremism.



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01 Apr 2008, 11:13 am

Aridarr wrote:
There are other reasons to hate the Arabs.


nope, its just another reason to hate fascists like yourself :wink:



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01 Apr 2008, 11:47 am

Bollinger wrote:
Khan_Sama wrote:
Iirc, in Islam, slaves were mostly given freedom, but had to pay a part of their income to their masters


No, that's not correct. I think you may be confusing slaves with non-Moslims. In medieval Moslim countries, Christians and Jews and Zoroastrians were allowed to live among the general populace, but they had to pay taxes, and suffered a few other restrictions regarding things like carrying weapons, which professions they could practice and so forth. Moslims paid no taxes. Slaves in Islamic lands were pretty much at the mercy of their masters, like slaves at most times in most societies.

It's worth pointing out here that non-Moslims under medieval Moslim ruled enjoyed much more freedom than Jews under medieval Christian rule, and that there were almost no Moslims anywhere to be found in medieval Catholic Europe. When the Emperor Fredereick II brought Moslim scholars to to his court and to the universities he was founding in the 13th century, it caused a huge scandal. He was excommincated for his open-mindedness, and when he died, Pope Innocent IV was overjoyed at what he called "the death of the Antichrist."

I hope nobody thinks, because I'm pointing out some things about medieval history which may not be well-known, that I'm anti-European or blind to good things in European history or bad things in Islamic history, or that I haven't noticed that, in our own time, there is a lot of intolerance in a lot of Islamic countries.


That's Jizya you're talking about. The only restrictions in professions was banning non-Muslims from military service. Yes, many slaves were indeed treated as other slaves, however, there were many restrictions on treatment of slaves. If a slave happened to be a professional in a certain field, for example, a carpenter, the slave was allowed to practice his profession, and would give a large portion of his income to his master, much larger than the Jizya tax. Iirc, one of the caliphs (I think it was Umar, not too sure) was murdered by a Zoroastrian slave who was angry with the fact that the Caliph did not decrease the amount of money he had to pay his master. The Caliph, however, forgave the slave on his deathbed.

Intolerance disappears with education. I'm sure we can all agree with that fact. :-)



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01 Apr 2008, 2:08 pm

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Intolerance disappears with education. I'm sure we can all agree with that fact. :-)


Well, I would disagree. I've known some highly educated people who were intolerant.

And, some people with little education who were tolerant.



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09 May 2008, 1:45 am

Aridarr wrote:
There are other reasons to hate the Arabs.


Tis true: like the fact that they dont allow women to show off their bodies :lol:



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09 May 2008, 1:51 am

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I want a slave. Where do I get one? :lol:


Im afraid I cant help you with that white boy :wink:. But if you want to be a slave all you gotta do is get sent to prison :mrgreen: .


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Aridarr wrote:
There are other reasons to hate the Arabs.


nope, its just another reason to hate fascists like yourself :wink:


You mean Feminazis like herself :D . I swear,she's a rich, spoiled, overpriviledged little bratty white girl with nothing better to do with her time. :roll:



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09 May 2008, 10:19 am

D1nk0 wrote:
Confused-Fish wrote:
Aridarr wrote:
There are other reasons to hate the Arabs.


nope, its just another reason to hate fascists like yourself :wink:


You mean Feminazis like herself :D . I swear,she's a rich, spoiled, overpriviledged little bratty white girl with nothing better to do with her time. :roll:


so she hates men and non-whites? wow, she sounds like a really lovely person :roll: