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Ignorance should not be active.

I wouldn’t really call it a conspiracy. I think there is a situation in the West that has developed kind of accidentally where you now have several powerful elements with parallel interests in nation-breaking.

Still, there are several powerful transnational organisations that have developed – and still operate – behind the scenes, and whose members intend to keep it that way, such as the European Union, the Bildebergs and the Council on Foreign Relations.

If I may say so, I think you are helping to illustrate my point. I try to analyse and speak out against the status quo, and you respond by telling me it’s the sort of thinking that “created the Nazis”. Why do these Nazi analogies come so easily to people?



Are you implying that the Nazis did take photos and films of their killings – and in particular the gassings?



It’s a big question. I cannot offer one definitive answer. As I mentioned above, you have several powerful elements whose interests coincide. I would say the various elites have decided that this process of nation-breaking helps to increase and maintain their own power and influence. Beyond that, big business supports mass immigration and nation-breaking for the sake of cheap labour, free trade and opening up new markets. Ethnic minority activist groups in the West support mass immigration to the West because they are immigrants (or recent descendents of immigrants) themselves (that’s an obvious one). There are Marxists who support mass immigration and nation-breaking because they’ve been indoctrinated with a hatred for their own kind. There are some who support nation-breaking due to the idealistic belief that government by an enlightened transnational elite is the only way to peace. Then there are some who are simply too stupid to understand what they're doing.



Well, look at how many people have immigrated already, and then consider: there’s a lot more where they came from.

I think your idea of a “free society” is very different from mine. In a free society, the members of that society should be able to decide whom they do and whom they do not admit into that society.

The native peoples of Britain, France, Denmark, Sweden etc have never been consulted on this question.



I didn’t say they have no motivation to do that. Of course they do. But these more prosperous nations have no obligation to let them in



That is not true. Perhaps it is in your interests to repeat such propaganda. I don’t know.
What would your namesake say, I wonder.

Do you think countries like the USA and Britain that can afford to invade Iraq and Afghanistan and occupy them for five years couldn’t keep out immigrants if the political will was there?
Howcome countries like Japan and South Korea are not letting hundreds of thousands of Third Worlders immigrate, but countries like Britain and France are?
How many immigrants do you think prosperous Israel has let in from the not-so-prosperous West Bank? Howcome Saudi Arabia refuses to grant citizenship to Palestinian Arabs, whereas Sweden welcomes them?

Perhaps we do have a different perception of that term. I am American, and I am fine with people of many different cultures living around me. It makes life more interesting. Your definition of free society has some credence. If people don't wish for there to be as much immigration, they can exert political pressure to restrict immigration. I personally think this is a bad idea, since I believe immigrants can be beneficial to a society, but democracy doesn't necessarily produce what's best, it produces what people want.


Those are all representative democracies. If they wanted to restrict immigration, they would.


Here we can disagree. I'm all for secure borders and cracking down on illegal immigration, but I think legal immigration should be easier. Xenophobia has never really benefited any country.


America has tried repeatedly to restrict immigration, and failed. Remember the Irish immigrants we used to be so upset over? If there is enough will, perhaps immigration could be halted. However, if people want to live here, they will try to find a way to do so. I don't really have any particular stake in immigration; I'm from Ohio and I personally am getting sick of so many Spanish-speakers this far north. I think immigrants should at least learn to adapt somewhat to the society they want to live in. I don't know what you mean by the comment about Orwell. He would have been all for allowing the interaction between different cultures that immigration allows. If you'd read 1984, you would know that he claims the three totalitarian states could not exist if the people in each knew what life was like for people in the other countries, and he laments the lack of interaction between the people of Eurasia, Eastasia, and Oceania as making possible the unending war. Orwell was a democratic socialist; that tends to coincide with internationalist sentiment.


Japan is a racist country. There is tremendous public will to prevent anyone from coming over (being an island helps somewhat) and they don't even extend full citizenship rights to legal immigrants. Britain and France are more willing to welcome newcomers to their society. Perhaps you could argue that they should be more selective, or that immigrants should make more effort to assimilate into native culture. I still object to your claim that Europe is "importing" foreigners. Also, there aren't a ton of Marxists around anymore, so including them in some globalist plot seems rather far-fetched.

Incidentally, I am Scottish (Celtic) by descent. My ancestors were the "native peoples" of the British Isles before the Anglo-Saxons (and later the Normans) invaded. My family was later kicked off of that island by the Anglo-Saxons because we weren't the right version of Protestant.

I'm not just implying it, codorac. Some of the Nazi soldiers took photos or film of what happened. I dunno whether it was for official reasons, for a souvenir, or something to beat off to later. Probably all three.

I dunno whether the gassings themselves were photographed, but I think the aftermath was.

I once had a philosophy professor (trained as a statistician, which an analytical sort has to love) who cited a passage from Hegel as an example of how NOT to write.

who makes the nazis?

Women, women gave birth to them, therefore women are responsible, therefore women are evil!! ! Makes perfect sense!!

What's your opinion on Israel? "Racist" or not?

Jewish; we aren't allowed to question our overlords.

Ah, I see you chose to latch onto the one potentially "politically incorrect" thing I said and use it against me. I'm not an anti-semite. I also don't have anything Japanese culture in particular, but Japan is not welcoming of other races. It is ingrained in their culture, and it was part of the traditional Shinto religion. That Japan as a whole has racial biases isn't really disputed. You tell me if Israel behaves in the same way, or for the same reasons.

I assume AG was being sarcastic, but if not, I'll go ahead and say that I find his comment rather absurd.

No responses to everything else though?

I love you.

I think I have some responses to make on your other points. But sometimes I think it's best to take one point at a time. And you haven't answered my question - you've just thrown it back at me. You'd make a good politician!

You called Japan a racist country.
Do you think Israel is a racist country?
A "no comment" will do.

Oh, now THAT'S a good insult. To [attempt to] answer your question, I don't know if I can as easily come to a judgment on Israel. I kind of think that, because of the pressures of living in a hostile region, the Israeli state has been forced, for reasons of self-preservation, to develop in directions that might be contrary to the intents of its founders. (ie militarism) If Israel could be considered racist (I don't really know enough about how they treat foreigners to say if they are or not) it's probably more justified than in Japan, because in Israel they are surrounded by people who want them dead. Japan's racism is more based on an ancestral belief that the Japanese race is superior.

Thanks, I love being loved.