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05 Sep 2008, 5:06 pm

The imaginative capabilities of a machine can only go so far, if at all. Every response has to be programmed. It's a machine. Maybe you've been watching too much Sci-Fi and your imagination is over-active. Sounds like troll to me.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:08 pm

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If you can't apply your learning to anything more useful, constructive or meaningful, it doesn't say much for your intelligence.

If you had taken a moment to look at his profile and personal website, you would have found him to be quite the aspiring mathematician with a strong interest in artifical intelligence. Therefore...his future career choices will most likely fit into the useful, constructive, and meaningful. Even if he decides to teach...this would also apply.

I rather enjoy seeing youth be so brash, regardless of if I agree. Young minds with high goals, firm points of view, and a 'life sucks then you die' attitude. Makes me wish I was twenty again...

That just made me look at your profile - Not impressed.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:16 pm

aspiartist wrote:

That just made me look at your profile - Not impressed.

Facts and logic don't impress you at all, so I'm not surprised

aspiartist wrote:

The imaginative capabilities of a machine can only go so far, if at all.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

aspiartist wrote:

Every response has to be programmed. It's a machine.

*lol*

...yeah, I'm now dead sure you don't have any training in computer science or mathematics.

aspiartist wrote:

Maybe you've been watching too much Sci-Fi and your imagination is over-active.

Incidentally, the document I quoted was from the US Department of Defense's advanced research agency, DARPA, the same people who conceived the Internet.

Yeah, I'm sure you know artificial intelligence better than they do.

I don't read or watch much fiction, but to be fair, Rossum's Universal Robots, I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream, etc. had a strong influence on me.

Regardless, you're in denial, but that's acceptable, because denial is a natural part of grief.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:20 pm

The limitations of robotics are widely recognized.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:23 pm

aspiartist wrote:

The limitations of robotics are widely recognized.

Widely recognized by whom?

Quote someone reputable

(And link please)

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05 Sep 2008, 5:34 pm

Work it out for yourself Chever!

You don't impress anyone.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:36 pm

I'm impressed by both of you.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:36 pm

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Work it out for yourself Chever!

You don't impress anyone.

I have a tiny bit of familiarity with the field too, and your claims sound frankly uninformed and out-dated.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:38 pm

Ohh is this the clash between intellectual vs. creative artist?

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05 Sep 2008, 5:41 pm

If you have that evidence, then show your data.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:41 pm

aspiartist wrote:

Work it out for yourself Chever!

Hi, welcome to Western society; the burden of proof is on you. If you can't find a single reputable scholar, researcher or inventor who still seriously doubts that general artificial intelligence is possible (especially when very many believe it is not only possible but near), then I don't have to entertain your claim.

In short, I don't have to prove your own points for you. That's your job.

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You don't impress anyone.

I don't impress you.

However, I have a pretty good chance of winning a DoD scholarship if I really try.

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If you have that evidence, then show your data.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQwP3L_20qY[/youtube]

Your mindset is hopelessly stuck in the late forties.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:44 pm

I never said "general artificial intelligence" isn't possible. You have simply taken it to the extreme and in that case, the burden of proof is on you.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:46 pm

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I never said "general artificial intelligence" isn't possible. You have simply taken it to the extreme and in that case, the burden of proof is on you.

What extreme?

Hooking them up to weapons won't be too hard.

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05 Sep 2008, 5:47 pm

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If you can't find a single reputable scholar, researcher or inventor who still seriously doubts that general artificial intelligence is possible (especially when very many believe it is not only possible but near), then I don't have to entertain your claim.

I think, when dealing with the uninitiated, it would be better to ask for more than a single qualified individual. There are oftentimes wack-jobs (I'm sure there's just *someone* out there with credentials who still entertains the belief that Goedel's Incompleteness Theorems refute the possibility of Strong-AI)

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05 Sep 2008, 5:49 pm

Meowpurr wrote:

Ohh is this the clash between intellectual vs. creative artist?

Pretty fun to watch, 'eh?

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05 Sep 2008, 5:50 pm

twoshots wrote:

I'm not sure I believe in strong AI either, and expert opinion is widely divided on this matter.

But that's not the point. Weak AI can still do awesome and horrible things.

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