12 Oct 2008, 9:55 pm
12 Oct 2008, 10:09 pm
12 Oct 2008, 10:12 pm
12 Oct 2008, 10:14 pm
ToadOfSteel wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Funny, most religion bashers tend to target LCD illiterate Bible thumpers rather than real religious traditions. Are you sure you don't, deep down, actually hate the religious people?
That's because LCD illiterate Bible thumpers are the only ones that go around shoving their "faith" onto other people who didn't even ask for the subject to be brought up. Most people who actually follow the religion (as opposed to just yelling at other people for not following the religion) don't tend to show up on other peoples' radar...
So in other words, it is the people, not the religion
12 Oct 2008, 10:31 pm
twoshots wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Funny, most religion bashers tend to target LCD illiterate Bible thumpers rather than real religious traditions. Are you sure you don't, deep down, actually hate the religious people?
That's because LCD illiterate Bible thumpers are the only ones that go around shoving their "faith" onto other people who didn't even ask for the subject to be brought up. Most people who actually follow the religion (as opposed to just yelling at other people for not following the religion) don't tend to show up on other peoples' radar...
So in other words, it is the people, not the religion
That's what I've been saying all along.
12 Oct 2008, 11:28 pm
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12 Oct 2008, 11:46 pm
13 Oct 2008, 5:06 am
13 Oct 2008, 7:18 am
twoshots wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Funny, most religion bashers tend to target LCD illiterate Bible thumpers rather than real religious traditions. Are you sure you don't, deep down, actually hate the religious people?
That's because LCD illiterate Bible thumpers are the only ones that go around shoving their "faith" onto other people who didn't even ask for the subject to be brought up. Most people who actually follow the religion (as opposed to just yelling at other people for not following the religion) don't tend to show up on other peoples' radar...
So in other words, it is the people, not the religion
It is certain people within the religion, but not all people...
DentArthurDent wrote:
Sorry what is LCD in the context of this discussion. I tried google but naturally all it came back with was lcd tvs etc
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Daran wrote:
Religion should not be targeted as such. Rather dogma and imposed ignorance should be targeted. People should be educated into becoming rational, anti-dogmatic and self-confident citizens. If that can be achieved, then sectarian and fundamentalist ideologies will automatically wither.
The problem is that some people believe in the "us and them" ideology (and I'm not talking about the Pink Floyd song) that they tend towards the extreme to make themselves feel like they're part of a select few that get a reward while people who don't think like them are automatically receiving punishment...
13 Oct 2008, 7:24 am
13 Oct 2008, 7:34 am
13 Oct 2008, 7:54 am
z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
And what about other forms of bigotry? Like bigotry against religious folk?
I hate religion because I feel it is incorrect and I have evidence to back up my claims. It's not bigotry if you have a logical reason for hating it. You can't say homosexuality is incorrect necessarily, it's not that type of subject. And before you launch off, I never said I hated religious people once, I said I hate religion.
You hate religion not religious people? So its the act and not the person, then.
Hypocrasy!
Hypocrisy? I'm saying I hate your beliefs but I don't hate you. I can still like someone who happens to have a religion and have a good time with that person yet I don't like what that person believes. How is that Hypocrisy? Really.
It's hypocrasy because you bristle when I say how I hate the act of sodomy but not the people who engage in it. If you're allowed to hate religion, I am alowed to hate sodomy ... but not gays themselves. You see?
13 Oct 2008, 8:03 am
slowmutant wrote:
z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
And what about other forms of bigotry? Like bigotry against religious folk?
I hate religion because I feel it is incorrect and I have evidence to back up my claims. It's not bigotry if you have a logical reason for hating it. You can't say homosexuality is incorrect necessarily, it's not that type of subject. And before you launch off, I never said I hated religious people once, I said I hate religion.
You hate religion not religious people? So its the act and not the person, then.
Hypocrasy!
Hypocrisy? I'm saying I hate your beliefs but I don't hate you. I can still like someone who happens to have a religion and have a good time with that person yet I don't like what that person believes. How is that Hypocrisy? Really.
It's hypocrasy because you bristle when I say how I hate the act of sodomy but not the people who engage in it. If you're allowed to hate religion, I am alowed to hate sodomy ... but not gays themselves. You see?
Um, you can hate sodomy, that's fine, I wouldn't want it either. I was just saying you can't hate gays because they're gay, I wasn't saying you can't dislike homosexuality in the sense that you don't want to participate. I was merely defending their right to do it, I wasn't saying you have to like what they do, but don't hate them for doing it.
13 Oct 2008, 8:07 am
z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
And what about other forms of bigotry? Like bigotry against religious folk?
I hate religion because I feel it is incorrect and I have evidence to back up my claims. It's not bigotry if you have a logical reason for hating it. You can't say homosexuality is incorrect necessarily, it's not that type of subject. And before you launch off, I never said I hated religious people once, I said I hate religion.
You hate religion not religious people? So its the act and not the person, then.
Hypocrasy!
Hypocrisy? I'm saying I hate your beliefs but I don't hate you. I can still like someone who happens to have a religion and have a good time with that person yet I don't like what that person believes. How is that Hypocrisy? Really.
It's hypocrasy because you bristle when I say how I hate the act of sodomy but not the people who engage in it. If you're allowed to hate religion, I am alowed to hate sodomy ... but not gays themselves. You see?
Um, you can hate sodomy, that's fine, I wouldn't want it either. I was just saying you can't hate gays because they're gay, I wasn't saying you can't dislike homosexuality in the sense that you don't want to participate. I was merely defending their right to do it, I wasn't saying you have to like what they do, but don't hate them for doing it.
I'm glad you're so noble-minded. On that same token, you should also recognize my right to go to church and live my faith ... cause it doesn't affect you. BUt my right ends where the rights of gays to live gay lives begins. It's a double-edged sword.
13 Oct 2008, 8:19 am
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