Criteria for evidence of a God.

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when you say "that's just the way people are" what you really mean is "that's just the way i am". quit projecting. it sounds more like you want an excuse to not have to reciprocate any kindness to anyone else but hidden behind teenage angst.

"faith healers" are scumbags who take advantage of gullible people who have real problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kulq7bis ... re=related

example

The day the rapture happens I'll start going to church


I know in many cases personal experiences draw people off from Christianity, but I find that to be out of subjective reactions rather than actual critical analysis, therefore, I believe the point of view becomes biased, often with strongly reactions against it, I would say selective thinking, which that also applies to religious people of course.

and it seems if your religious your looked at as insane and stupid
I have enough trouble fitting in lol

If it were about delivering the goods or services as promised, then televangelism would not be such a fraudulent business to get into.

But when one of those "Con Men For Jesus" promises healing, and either people are not healed or they weren't sick in the first place, AND they take money in exchange (don't even try calling it a "Free-Will Offerring" or a "Love Gift"), I call it out as FRAUD.

And don't anybody try to tell me that I'm blocking the "Holy Spirit"! If Jesus was able to raise Lazarus from the dead, then God can heal me! If Jesus can strike Saul blind agianst his will, then God can cast my infirmities as far away from me as the east is from the west.

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well people-if they truly believe they are healed
in many cases they heal themselves
some say humans are psychic, some say its god
science has a hard time explaining it...
though they do know its not Don Stewart

my point in bringing up Bentley is - IF he is performing miracles, it has nothing to do with god....the people are healing themselves and Bentley is simply orchestrating it.

Bentley sincerely believes in god, and sincerely believes god is using him to heal people. that's nice, but IF there are healings, almost anyone could be the orchestra's conductor.

some people are being healed or else he wouldn't be drawing crowds of 8000 per night... and it isn't by any abrahamic god. if some of the miracles are genuine, the faith healer has little to do with it. but until the people realize what is going on and empower themselves, god will have to suffice as the magician.

Bentley is hated by mainstream christianity because he exposed them as frauds heavily implying they were dedicated against everything Jesus stands for. however, the real reason mainstream christianity hates Bentley so much is not for his supposed healings. it is because if the people learn how the healings are really accomplished, that's the end of the christian church...and maybe all churches..and it's a baby step from where Bentley is taking them to knowing the healing power is in the focused and directed attention of a multitude of people all believing in the same thing.

what they believe in is the power of love.

yeah but...
GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kulq7bis ... re=related
:p

placebo effect.

no its GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWD

do you not believe in the power of love?

depends on what love it is
love has no "powers"
yeah it can bring people together for awhile-but it doesn't usually last forever
it can do good or very bad
I do believe I can fall in love, and stay in love-I am just that sort of person
but its not the best thing humans have to brag about

one must define something...then go about ways of proving or dis proving....

Ok, replying to this again, to respond to the question, I believe part of the christian dogma is about faith, many christian denominations, I believe would agree with the concept of faith related to miracles, that means that if the person who is praying for a miracle, like healing, the requirement would be to have total faith and nothing of doubt, not even a little bit. This is illustrated in a story in the Bible (Matthew 14:22-32) when the disciples saw Jesus walking on the water and Peter started to walk on the water as well, but at the moment he started to have a little of doubt, then he began to sink.

It could be argued from a christian position that as long as you have a bit of doubt then the miracle you ask for, will never happen, I think it might be other arguments made about the issue, a part from plain faith. And well, there you have the answer for the question that I believe it fits inside the christian belief system.