Is Jesus merely a temptation to people who are lonely?
sinsboldly
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Sure. I was trying to figure out what you were trying to say, and apparantly read too much into it.
oh. well, no wonder you don't get what I am talking about.
Merle
We're talking about equality in value, not exact sameness. In the same verse, they talk about slaves and free people -- you don't think they might have had some slight difference in their circumstances?
Or are you really saying that Paul was wrong because he didn't advocate modern feminism in words that modern feminists would find sufficiently politically correct in the first century AD?
this is the second time you have suggested my concepts are so small as to not place Paul squarely in his times and culture. My only objection is that I live in this time and culture and don't care to perpetuate Paul's.
Merle
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No. I am advocating taking things said in the first century in the context of being said in the first century.
Very well. that neatly throws a good deal of Bible morality out the window.
Not really.
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Perpetuating first century culture isn't what Christianity is about.
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you say that as if me not wanting to live by some 1st century man's interpretation of divine will is a bad thing. He wasn't content with how the system was set up and didn't he look to change it? With that sort of legacy, how could I not follow his lead and seek to change it, too?
Merle
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Elaborate, please.
Christianity is about God and morality and so forth. It isn't really about culture at all.
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Changing the status quo of society/culture wasn't a priority for him. The early church was fairly small, not very influential, and didn't have many rich, educated people in it. They weren't in a position to alter a large number of things -- including gender roles and slavery.
I'm not objecting to changing society for the better.
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Elaborate, please.
Christianity is about God and morality and so forth. It isn't really about culture at all.
And your view seems to be that culture is totally divorced from morality?
sinsboldly
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Elaborate, please.
Christianity is about God and morality and so forth. It isn't really about culture at all.
so what you are saying is if we don't have an arguement you have talking point on (i.e. gay marriage, femininst ideals) you don't have much to say?
Merle
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Separate but equal, right?
Make me a sandwich!
Am I the only one disturbed by Orwell's desire to be put between two giant pieces of bread, covered in vegetable matter, and slathered in mayonnaise?
Separate but equal, right?
Make me a sandwich!
Am I the only one disturbed by Orwell's desire to be put between two giant pieces of bread, covered in vegetable matter, and slathered in mayonnaise?
Wait 'til dinnertime rolls around.
Pretty much. But I don't think I'd use the word 'totally', since culture is part of the context in which morals are put into practice. It's not going to change morality per se, but it will change how it is expressed.
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Elaborate, please.
Christianity is about God and morality and so forth. It isn't really about culture at all.
so what you are saying is if we don't have an arguement you have talking point on (i.e. gay marriage, femininst ideals) you don't have much to say?
Merle
I could have said, 'Elaborate on what?'. I had no idea what he was looking for, but given his response, apparently he found some useful information in what I said. I figured if he didn't get what he wanted, he was perfectly capable of clarifying as needed.
Are you against one sentence posts in response to one sentence posts?
I have only talked about gay marriage on a couple of threads here, without taking a strong position, since I don't have a definite opinion on it. So that really isn't a 'talking point'. I haven't mentioned feminist ideals at all. (If you're talking about my gender roles comment, then elaborate, please.)
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Christ's statement about looking upon a woman with lust being the same as committing adultery with her was aimed at the hypocrites who pointed cruel, judgmental fingers at people's whose passion got the better of them, (loving not well but too much). Christ sees our internal minds and He is not pleased with as He put it somewhere else, "white washed tombs" that is people who look clean on the outside but really full of filth and dead mans bones."
I also know men who look at pornography and their lusting after woman translates into treating woman as less than Human beings. Ladies never marry a man who encourages himself to lust. he will not treat you well! Jesus knew this.
There is a scientific explanation for everything even God and the Afterlife but they really exist because Humanity wants them too.
Evolution works. So does General Relativity which has been proven (google it). Time/space curves bent by the gravitational mass of the Universe. The Future is the Past. Everything we evolve into the Future, everything we invent and create already exists. Science builds John’s 1500 mile long cube mentioned in the last 2 chapters of Revelation just as we built the Nautilus, the Moon ship Columbia, and the International Space Station. We go round curved space/time and upload everybody’s organically produced operating systems including the Galilee Carpenter’s and give Him His well deserved Kingdom. Because we want to: No other reason is necessary. The minute that Neanderthal (probably a Lady) dragged her dead loved one to the most protected area of their cave and covered him in flowers to fight the stench, from that moment the building of John’s Cube became unavoidable. We had started to do something about death instead of helplessly accepting it. The same tenacity that will take us to the stars will help us build Heaven, evolve into the very REAL and VERY OMNIPRESENT AND WATCHING US NOW, Cosmic Christ and make sure the Universe stays life bearing as in the Gaia Hypothesis & the strong Anthropic Principle. Life would be a fool not to guide its own evolution once it can and life certainly is no fool. The Cosmic Christ we evolve into (Ephesians 4:15) is watching you as you read this. Invite Him into your operating system to debug it and make it fit for uploading someday to that Cube. You have not been loved unless you have invited this warm “Cosmic Muffin” into your brain to feel you with His Presence and love you from the deepest marrow of your being outwards! Becoming Born again is a very REAL experience and afterwards you will KNOW God exists for real. Do not miss it! Faith inspires Science. Science fulfills faith and it does it for REAL, not just “night language.” As for the devil no ecological niche stays empty forever. Anyone who thinks the ecological niche of Satan is not desirable need only google Satan-worship and see what it out there. Most any one of his followers would be glad to step into their god’s niche if it really was empty. Satan drives evolution just as the wolf not only keeps the caribou strong but forces them to become stronger and faster. Not God’s enemy; only a tool to bring about His own existence and part of the Plan.
Elaborate, please.
Christianity is about God and morality and so forth. It isn't really about culture at all.
"God, morality and so forth"? That could mean practically any religion. You could just as well be a muslim.
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"God, morality and so forth"? That could mean practically any religion. You could just as well be a muslim.
Why should I have to summarize my views in such a precise way that they can't possibly be confused with islam in a two sentence post?
Is there something actually wrong with this post? This is the second time someone objected to it, which seems quite a lot for a two sentence post.
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