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01 Jun 2009, 7:57 am

buryuntime wrote:

2 - No. Any evil is the result of sin.

But then why did God create sin? He's all powerful and all knowing. And even if he somehow didn't know there would be sin, he's supposed to be all powerful so why doesn't he get rid of it?

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01 Jun 2009, 10:47 am

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buryuntime wrote:

2 - No. Any evil is the result of sin.

But then why did God create sin? He's all powerful and all knowing. And even if he somehow didn't know there would be sin, he's supposed to be all powerful so why doesn't he get rid of it?

I think that if God were to stamp out all the sin in the world, He would do such a thoroughly perfect job of it that he'd stamp me out, too. And since I'm not quite ready to be stamped out yet, I'll take my chances with the thieves in the night, with drunken drivers, and with wars that always seem to be looming on the horizon.

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01 Jun 2009, 10:58 am

JetLag wrote:

z0rp wrote:

buryuntime wrote:

2 - No. Any evil is the result of sin.

But then why did God create sin? He's all powerful and all knowing. And even if he somehow didn't know there would be sin, he's supposed to be all powerful so why doesn't he get rid of it?

I think that if God were to stamp out all the sin in the world, He would do such a thoroughly perfect job of it that he'd stamp me out, too. And since I'm not quite ready to be stamped out yet, I'll take my chances with the thieves in the night, with drunken drivers, and with wars that always seem to be looming on the horizon.

Not at all. Why do we have thieves? Some people need food, or other resources to survive. Then some people are just greedy as we call it. Whatever the reason, it'd be something an omnipotent being could fix easily. Why do we have drunken drivers? Alcohol causes people to become drunk. Another thing an omnipotent being could change. Wars too obviously are something an all powerful being could prevent. Point being, if there was a God, he's either unwilling to do anything or unable to, which of course if he's unable to, why call him God?

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01 Jun 2009, 11:07 am

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Is there really a God?

No.

the question is not a proper question since it cannot be resolved either by logic or by observation. It is of the same class as the pseudo question:

Do snoring Green Square sleep furiously?

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01 Jun 2009, 11:19 am

z0rp wrote:

Point being, if there was a God, he's either unwilling to do anything or unable to, which of course if he's unable to, why call him God?

I'd opt for unwilling, likely a no-pain-no-gain kind of idea. That and if this world is such a short and transitory existence, if there is a hereafter and it was a tiny sliver, maybe 10 seconds on a Sunday afternoon, all this anguish comes down to the fact that we only know what we can see in front of us. The option offered that 2) God is a complete douche nozzle - true if he's sending people to hell for what he himself built them to be, as I believe most of our frailties are ingrained in us and we can't help them once we're doing our absolute best and still failing. I tend to believe that our universe, our evolution, its not physically wrapped around anything but its conceptually and spiritually wrapped around something, we just don't know what that something is because we can't see the outside of the petre dish so well.

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01 Jun 2009, 12:30 pm

z0rp wrote:

Not at all. Why do we have thieves? Some people need food, or other resources to survive. Then some people are just greedy as we call it. Whatever the reason, it'd be something an omnipotent being could fix easily. Why do we have drunken drivers? Alcohol causes people to become drunk. Another thing an omnipotent being could change. Wars too obviously are something an all powerful being could prevent. Point being, if there was a God, he's either unwilling to do anything or unable to, which of course if he's unable to, why call him God?

"The Problem of Evil" goes all the way back to the Epicurians, Cynics and Skeptics circa 200 b.c.e. and probably even before that. As it says in Ecclisiastes : There is nothing new under the Sun.

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01 Jun 2009, 12:33 pm

Is there really a God?
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02 Jun 2009, 3:18 am

z0rp wrote:

buryuntime wrote:

2 - No. Any evil is the result of sin.

But then why did God create sin? He's all powerful and all knowing. And even if he somehow didn't know there would be sin, he's supposed to be all powerful so why doesn't he get rid of it?

sin must exist in order for perfection and grace to.. same as good and evil.. one can not exist without the other

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02 Jun 2009, 7:10 am

scorpileo wrote:

z0rp wrote:

buryuntime wrote:

2 - No. Any evil is the result of sin.

But then why did God create sin? He's all powerful and all knowing. And even if he somehow didn't know there would be sin, he's supposed to be all powerful so why doesn't he get rid of it?

sin must exist in order for perfection and grace to.. same as good and evil.. one can not exist without the other

That's like saying there can't good and evil in this world without shamboozle.

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02 Jun 2009, 9:00 am

scorpileo wrote:

z0rp wrote:

buryuntime wrote:

2 - No. Any evil is the result of sin.

But then why did God create sin? He's all powerful and all knowing. And even if he somehow didn't know there would be sin, he's supposed to be all powerful so why doesn't he get rid of it?

sin must exist in order for perfection and grace to.. same as good and evil.. one can not exist without the other

And why is that?

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02 Jun 2009, 12:28 pm

z0rp wrote:

And why is that?

Because when people see an awful person they think "god i don't want to be like that!" and so the evil creates good.

That's what I think anyway.

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02 Jun 2009, 1:00 pm

just-me wrote:

z0rp wrote:

And why is that?

Because when people see an awful person they think "god i don't want to be like that!" and so the evil creates good.

That's what I think anyway.

Yes, but why is it that an all knowing God would make such a person awful in the first place?

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02 Jun 2009, 4:29 pm

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02 Jun 2009, 4:43 pm

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Why does God give someone a condition like aspergers and then when they screw up hold them at fault for making "judgements" and being bitter?

Who says God or god or the gods control everything?

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02 Jun 2009, 5:59 pm

Yeah right!

Of course there is a God. There has to be. If there is so much evil in the world then there has to be something to counter it.
Or how about miracles. Someone had to make it happen.

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