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19 Mar 2011, 3:46 pm

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And nothing you said directly addressed my comments. Is it becoming inconvenient for you to discuss the topic in any detail? Perhaps because the details show the horrible consequences of your ideology?


just Compare Mao Communist China and today laisse-faire ultra-capitalist China
That did save their economy from collapsing under its own weight, but China is still very authoritarian so that makes em corporatist.


Some part of me can't help but feel that China decided to take an ultra-capitalist route in order to supplant the West as the prime mover of world funding. Once they get that going, they'll likely work to transition the world into a planned economy. China is anything but a short-sighted nation. In many ways their outlook is far superior, in a Machiavellian sense, than the West. But then again, they probably live by The Art of War like I do


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19 Mar 2011, 3:48 pm

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Some part of me can't help but feel that China decided to take an ultra-capitalist route in order to supplant the West as the prime mover of world funding. Once they get that going, they'll likely work to transition the world into a planned economy. China is anything but a short-sighted nation. In many ways their outlook is far superior, in a Machiavellian sense, than the West. But then again, they probably live by The Art of War like I do


ahahaha if they dare to try that we'll ATOMIZE their yellow asses



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19 Mar 2011, 3:49 pm

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Some part of me can't help but feel that China decided to take an ultra-capitalist route in order to supplant the West as the prime mover of world funding. Once they get that going, they'll likely work to transition the world into a planned economy. China is anything but a short-sighted nation. In many ways their outlook is far superior, in a Machiavellian sense, than the West. But then again, they probably live by The Art of War like I do


ahahaha if they dare to try that we'll ATOMIZE their yellow asses


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19 Mar 2011, 3:50 pm

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Some part of me can't help but feel that China decided to take an ultra-capitalist route in order to supplant the West as the prime mover of world funding. Once they get that going, they'll likely work to transition the world into a planned economy. China is anything but a short-sighted nation. In many ways their outlook is far superior, in a Machiavellian sense, than the West. But then again, they probably live by The Art of War like I do


ahahaha if they dare to try that we'll ATOMIZE their yellow asses


Racist comment.


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19 Mar 2011, 3:53 pm

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Racist comment.


WOW YOU PLAYED THE RACIST CARD....YOU DID IT



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Racist comment.


WOW YOU PLAYED THE RACIST CARD....YOU DID IT


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19 Mar 2011, 3:54 pm

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Racist comment.


WOW YOU PLAYED THE RACIST CARD....YOU DID IT


You refereed to a group of Asian people as "yellow".

That's not exactly accepted naming conventions for Asians. That combined with your enthusiasm for vaporizing them and that leads me to concluding that you're making a racist comment.


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19 Mar 2011, 4:05 pm

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That combined with your enthusiasm for vaporizing them and that leads me to concluding that you're making a racist comment.


i'm not a racist and i don't want war

but if the Chinese government/workers/aliens or whatever will violate the libertarian NAP(Non-aggression principle) using force to nationalize(AKA STEALING) western investments well.. I will take this as a declaration of war and I support everything(a counter-revolutionary dictatorship,sabotages and,in the most extreme case,the use of atomic weapons ) will be needed in order to give these lands/factory etc Back to their rightfull owners



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19 Mar 2011, 4:20 pm

You can not steal investments but I understand what your saying as a whole and generally speaking agree with it as a last resort. Wouldn't it be better to simply move back to isolationism? Withdraw from the U.N. set up our infrastructures again perhaps deal with our own continents problems?



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19 Mar 2011, 5:12 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
LibertarianAS wrote:
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And nothing you said directly addressed my comments. Is it becoming inconvenient for you to discuss the topic in any detail? Perhaps because the details show the horrible consequences of your ideology?


just Compare Mao Communist China and today laisse-faire ultra-capitalist China
That did save their economy from collapsing under its own weight, but China is still very authoritarian so that makes em corporatist.

LibertarianAS is showing his true colors. He is more about social darwinism than freedom. Just bring back them good'ole days. China is more fascist than libertarian. Companies that wish to sell out to China for their lax labor laws will also have to put up with their host governments occasional decision to censor them and appose their free-speech. Also, last I heard Chinese workers are trying to unionize and fight back against corporate exploitation.



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19 Mar 2011, 5:27 pm

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but if the Chinese government/workers/aliens or whatever will violate the libertarian NAP(Non-aggression principle) using force to nationalize(AKA STEALING) western investments well.. I will take this as a declaration of war and I support everything(a counter-revolutionary dictatorship,sabotages and,in the most extreme case,the use of atomic weapons ) will be needed in order to give these lands/factory etc Back to their rightfull owners

You don't get any property (and certainly not intact factories) back if you nuke the country. And how do you determine who are the "rightful" owners of something to begin with? It's rather a naive view to just assume that anyone who manages to come into possession of something procured it (or the resources they traded for it) through completely non-aggressive means.

As for your libertarian NAP, it sounds like you need it. You're becoming incoherent; perhaps some sleep will make you think a bit more clearly.


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19 Mar 2011, 5:33 pm

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You don't get any property (and certainly not intact factories) back if you nuke the country

Not to mention that China has over 400 nukes to throw back. That might only be a fraction of the US nuclear arsenal, but it is enough to obliterate almost all large cities in the continental US
Even a limited scale nuclear war would create a cloud of radiation that would put nuclear accidents to shame in magnitude. It is an utterly selfish and genocidal way of waging war, there is simply no getting around it :(


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19 Mar 2011, 5:42 pm

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19 Mar 2011, 5:44 pm

Economic Left/Right: 4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.28

Which is pretty similar to Angela Merkel's placing on the graph.


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19 Mar 2011, 5:48 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:
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That combined with your enthusiasm for vaporizing them and that leads me to concluding that you're making a racist comment.


i'm not a racist and i don't want war

but if the Chinese government/workers/aliens or whatever will violate the libertarian NAP(Non-aggression principle) using force to nationalize(AKA STEALING) western investments well.. I will take this as a declaration of war and I support everything(a counter-revolutionary dictatorship,sabotages and,in the most extreme case,the use of atomic weapons ) will be needed in order to give these lands/factory etc Back to their rightfull owners
Nuking to give back the lands and factories to their rightful owners? Let's see how well that works out after these factories and lands become radioactive/vapourized :roll:



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19 Mar 2011, 5:54 pm

At least we can be sure we have enough nukes to kill any of the smallish asteroids which head our way.

I really wish the U.S. had implemented star wars though, although it would have likely ended up abused.