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31 May 2009, 7:08 pm

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The jewish written teachings are enough to dislike that religion as well. It doesn't matter how it's practiced, as long as the bible is a part of judaism it is a religion which preaches evil values. Neither christians, muslims or jews, orthodox or secular, are welcome in my life and I do everything I can to discriminate against believers of any of the three monotheistic religions in everyday life.



The Main Book of Orhtodox Judaism is the Babylonian Talmud, the written down version of the original oral tradition. The Bible has not been the main book of Judaism for nearly 1500 years. The bulk of Jewish writings are Rabinical Commentaries, not Bible quotes.

Look to the Protestants to complain about much too much being made of the Bible. The only part of the Bible that reguarly recited in synagogues is the Torah (first five books of Moses) and some correlated scripture, the haftorot. You generally do not hear Jews quoting the Bible. You will hear Rabinical Midrahsim or snippets from the Talmud, maybe and only if you are interested to hear it. Jews generally do not discuss their religion with Gentiles in everyday situations.

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31 May 2009, 7:28 pm

Understandable the way Christians tended to react to them - from mideval times, through the Inquisition through to the Russian pogroms and Hitler.



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31 May 2009, 7:37 pm

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The Main Book of Orhtodox Judaism is the Babylonian Talmud, the written down version of the original oral tradition. The Bible has not been the main book of Judaism for nearly 1500 years. The bulk of Jewish writings are Rabinical Commentaries, not Bible quotes.

Look to the Protestants to complain about much too much being made of the Bible. The only part of the Bible that reguarly recited in synagogues is the Torah (first five books of Moses) and some correlated scripture, the haftorot. You generally do not hear Jews quoting the Bible. You will hear Rabinical Midrahsim or snippets from the Talmud, maybe and only if you are interested to hear it. Jews generally do not discuss their religion with Gentiles in everyday situations.

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Orthodox jews still view Torah as the most sacred book and reciting it generates "divine energy" in the world or something, according to them. The Torah is not just a book but also some invisible force, the words in the book are the essence of Hashem in humanly comprehendable form and every word is a sort of code of his true essence in the physical realm. By following these laws, which include hatred and death penalty for homosexuals as well as stoning people born with various defects and treating them as "impure" you generate divine energy.

As for the Talmud, it's full of racism and statements like it's okay to cheat gentiles because it's all for a greater good and paragraph after paragraph reminds people of how secondary everything else is to the "teachings". It even says more or less that jews should "infiltrate" gentile society as long as needed without feeling sorry if they do others wrong as long as it's in the name of the "teachings". Added to this are many racist and hateful statements Of course some of this is a counterreaction to jews being persecuted, they responded to hatred with hatred, but calling it a "holy scripture" is really extreme.



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31 May 2009, 8:31 pm

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I think the Inquisition is fairer to point out as an example of these problems stemming direct from theology. The Crusades happened after centuries of relentless plundering and subjugation of Christian areas by the Islamic adventurism.

Not really. The crusades were political, but that Christian had less footing in the Middle East at the time. So to describe the Muslims as just plunderer is not accurate. The Christians were doing exactly the same as the Muslims, except they were less unified and organised about it. The crusades were about politics pure and simple.


I'm not saying that the Christian's were squeeky clean, and I'm also agreeing that it was far more politics than a run-away religion matter (other than two opposing groups fighting for resources, land, etc.).



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01 Jun 2009, 5:02 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I'm not saying that the Christian's were squeeky clean, and I'm also agreeing that it was far more politics than a run-away religion matter (other than two opposing groups fighting for resources, land, etc.).


The crusades involves more that Muslims and Christians. It was not just about re-gaining ground either.



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01 Jun 2009, 11:30 am

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I just think the three monotheistic religions should be outlawed. They have no place in a civilized society.

I assume that in a civilized society which would be free and democratic, these religions couldn't be outlawed by that aspect, because that seems to threaten the concept of freedom and rights in such society.

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Buddhism and shinto etc are okay, but Islam, Christianity and Judaism, no thanks.

Go out and proselytize then.

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I don't respect anyone who is a believer of one of the three monotheistic religions.

I highly doubt that that has any impact at all to any of them and to anyone else for that matter, I mean, should they care wether you (a single individual posting in a web forum) "respect" them or not?

In the end, it doesn't matter what people believe, but what they do and how they are, people are people regardless, so being christian, jewish, muslim, buddist, atheist, etc. it doesn't do much difference.


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02 Jun 2009, 8:15 pm

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The crusades involves more that Muslims and Christians. It was not just about re-gaining ground either.


I'm not sure wars happen often that go on in something like a perfectly sealed bubble. What's your point?



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03 Jun 2009, 9:36 pm

Yeah, great idea..lets blame billions of people for a handful of people's actions.



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04 Jun 2009, 9:39 am

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Yeah, great idea..lets blame billions of people for a handful of people's actions.

ah but that is what bigots are good at! Thinking just because someone isn't like them, they must be bad and ergo, all of their kind must be bad!


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04 Jun 2009, 5:28 pm

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Yeah, great idea..lets blame billions of people for a handful of people's actions.


Anyone who follows a Judeo-Christian religion is complicit, whether they know it or not, and whether they agree with it or not. IMO. But I'm right. IMO.

Lots of people that don't believe in a Judeo-Christian religion are also complicit, but being a believer automatically qualifies you. IMO. But I'm right. IMO.



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04 Jun 2009, 6:21 pm

Then a good 2/5ths of the world has a lot of explaining to do...;)



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04 Jun 2009, 6:24 pm

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Then a good 2/5ths of the world has a lot of explaining to do...;)


95% imo. Probably even higher. I don't know how I could rightfully say that I myself am not complicit.



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05 Jun 2009, 9:41 am

Not sure why there is an "Islam" day at all. But Islam uses a 12-month lunar calendar which means it is about 11 days shorter than the solar calendar year.