If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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It is not a conspiracy to point out the leftist progressives have a tendency to pull stunts like that, they aren't even consciously aware that they do it.







Whatever... Your theatrics aren't going to work on me or any other conservative here, it may work on liberals here, but Conservatives have seen this enough to not take you seriously.



So you're still not going to acknowledge the fact that by definition a fetus is a child. Due to their genetics they are a human. Furthermore we see brain activity 48 days into pregnancy. The fact their brain is still growing is immaterial, their brain is functioning, and that functional ability improves at a rapid rate.



The fact you can't even understand how what you're saying is dehumanizing human beings makes me pity you.



Didn't you claim I couldn't find a dictionary that would equate fetus with child outside of Fox News or some prolife group? Didn't I prove you wrong, with the first dictionary I picked up.



Sperm is not viable until it is combined with the egg, you and I both know that. Skin cells are dead and dying human cells that have reached the end of their natural lifetime. Seriously, stop with the false equivalencies, or do a better job at it, right now an elementary school student could see right through your farce.



Are you going to continue to lie as usual. I didn't just look up "fetus", I looked up "child" and the definition is on page 233 of the dictionary, and I am going to quote the definition again.
child:
1. Any person between birth and puberty. 2. a. An unborn infant; fetus. b. An infant; a baby. 3. One who is childish or immature. 4. A son or daughter; an offspring. 5. Plural. In Biblican usage members of a tribe; decendents. 6. The figurative offspring of anything; a child of nature. -- with child. Pregnant....


The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, editted by William Morris, pg 233
Published by: American Heritage Publishing co., inc. and Houghton Mifflan Company c. 1970

If you're going to lie, you should know better than to attempt to lie about the contents of a book that I have sitting less than 3 feet from me.



Sorry but since infanticide = murder, it can't be a slippery slope.



It's actually cause unlike you, I value human life from conception till natural death.



The fact we are having a huge population shrinkage from abortion is also affecting the economy in a negative fashion, so your argument doesn't work.

@ Vigilans

Grow up.

You most certainly do not.



There are fewer mouths to feed, and less crime, both of which affect the economy in a positive fashion.



This time, I am really going to tell your mother on you.

Why are we arguing about whether or not fetuses are human or living? Of course they are both. The question is whether or not they are people.

Personally speaking, I do not value all human life and I'm not sure why I even should.

65 pages, lol.

@Vigilans

Please don't. We need the amusement.

That is what they've been bickering about, actually. The whole fetus vs baby thing.

Is is human (adjective) it is not a human being and is not a person either. Nobody is currently arguing about whether it is ALIVE! or not right now.

Yes, for once you are right. Those who call themselves conservative in the US don't mind looking like racists.

The dictionary quote you posted is clear. A fetus is not a child. It is an unborn, undeveloped version of a child.

And for the 666th time I reply that embryos are not viable unless the host is compatible and has energy and willness to let them become fetus. And fetuses are not viable by themselves either.

Except it is not infanticide. Even the dictionary you are quoting disagrees.

And newer, more accurate , less ambiguous definitions from actual scientific sources interested only in defining things rather than also including alternative uses make it even harder for people like Inuyasha to confuse things up:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... lekey=3424


Regardless. Although dictionaries themselves have always been on the side of non-lunacy and have never confused terms like fetus or child. It doesn't matter. We can find tons of biological ways to differentiate between both (For starters how a fetus is not even born). The differences are so obvious, that it takes one to be an Inuyasha-level loon to believe they are the same thing or to believe that the very own 1970 dictionary he is quoting agrees.

It is my mistake that I asked for any dictionary definition because dictionaries include idioms and it is a common idiom used by ignorant people like Inuyasha to refer to a pregnant lady as a child container, so your dictionary had to include information that the term child may be used by idiots to refer to a fetus, just in case someone is very confused by the wrong usage by Inuyasah and opens the dictionary to verify if there is an alternative usage he is missing. Of course, pointing out this idiom usage is just being informative. You seem unable to understand that 1. Is the actual definition of child whilst the other are alternative uses. I didn't count on Inuyasha being too dumb to know how to use a dictionary, my mistake.


Note how his dictionary is dated 1970, so it is before the mass media conspiracy of feminazis editing dictionaries for politically correct reasons happened.

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I agree it's not a person and not a human being. It's human in the same way cancer cells are human. Genetically it has to be human, but that doesn't give it value.

Master of Irony

so population increase is good (but not when it comes from south of the border.)
Extra folks help the economy (unless they are mexican?)

Most of the people coming over the border from Mexico are doing so illegally. I'm okay with immigration, as long as it is done LEGALLY!



What is with you and your aversion to telling the truth? The second definition in that same dictionary given for child completely destroys your statements.
child:

1. Any person between birth and puberty. 2. a. An unborn infant; fetus. b. An infant; a baby. 3. One who is childish or immature. 4. A son or daughter; an offspring. 5. Plural. In Biblican usage members of a tribe; decendents. 6. The figurative offspring of anything; a child of nature. -- with child. Pregnant....

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, editted by William Morris, pg 233
Published by: American Heritage Publishing co., inc. and Houghton Mifflan Company c. 1970

Every fetus is a child, by definition. This flies in the face of everything you've run around claiming, I've shown you are wrong and still you run around lieing. You said I couldn't find any dictionary that would define a fetus as a child, well the fact fetus is in the definition of child, looks like a fetus is a child.

You are wrong Vexcalibur, and it is time for you to admit it.

Furthermore I really don't care about modern medical terms at this point, because of course doctors would want to believe they aren't killing a human being when they are conducting an abortion so they can sleep at night.

The fact about the child being a human being is tantamount to overturning Roe v. Wade, if the child is considered a person, Roe v. Wade has to be re-examined and possibly thrown out.

Also another key fact to consider, when someone murders a pregnant woman and also kills the infant, they are charged with a double homicide, yet it is okay for an abortionist to murder the child while they are in the womb. You can't have it both ways.

Yes, you can.

Where does this sound familiar, oh yeah sounds like counting slaves as people in to get the South more seats in Congress, but the slaves aren't considered people in any other way. The 3/5th's rule if I remember correctly that was striken from the US Constitution.

Completely separate issue.

Just cause you can't figure out how the two issues are related doesn't mean they aren't related.

The issues aren't related.

They are related, just you can't accept the fact that a child is a person regardless of whether or not they are currently in the womb, just like the South refused to recognize black people as being human beings.