If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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There was never any dispute over whether black people were human beings.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fetus
quote:fetus /fe·tus/ (fēt´us) [L.] the developing young in the uterus, specifically the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, in humans from nine weeks after fertilization until birth.
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harlequin fetus an infant with a severe and usually lethal form of congenital ichthyosis, manifested by hyperkeratosis with rigid skin.
mummified fetus a dried-up and shriveled fetus.
fetus papyra´ceus a dead fetus pressed flat by the growth of a living twin.
parasitic fetus in asymmetrical conjoined twins, an incomplete minor fetus attached to a larger, more completely developed twin.bolding mine.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/infant
quote:infant /in·fant/ (in´fint) the human young from the time of birth to one year of age.
bolding mine.
(note: http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q ... ORM=DTPDIA
quote:
infanticide
Definition
in·fan·ti·cide[ in fántə sd ]in·fan·ti·cides Plural

NOUN
1. murder of infant: the act of killing an infant
2. killing of babies: the practice of killing newborn babies
3. killer of infant: a killer of an infant)

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/child
quote: child (chld)
n.
1. A person who has not yet reached puberty.
2. A son or daughter; an offspring.
3. A person not of legal age; a minor.

The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
bolding mine.

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/Person.aspx
quote:Person Definition:An entity recognized by the law as separate and independent, with legal rights and existence including the ability to sue and be sued, to sign contracts, to receive gifts, to appear in court either by themselves or by lawyer and, generally, other powers incidental to the full expression of the entity in law.

Note the difference in definition between the American heritage dictionary and the American heritage medical dictionary. 'Yasha's definition is coloquially acceptable, but not medically so.

Please don't pretend this paragraph doesn't exist:


It is understandable that you can't seem to understand that 1. is the definition while 2. is just a way of saying that some people may refer to fetus as 'child' sometimes whilst the definition is 1.. The good news is that the rest of the people don't have to live with your impairment.

All you have done is prove my point about leftist progressives changing definitions to support pro-abortion ideology. It wouldn't be surprising if that change was sometime after abortion was legalized because they couldn't stand the fact the pro-life people had a legitimate case so they wanted to bury that fact.



You and I both know you are lying. The number by a definition means an alternate definition but is still the accurate definition of a word, it just depends on how it is used.

Again if a pregnant woman is murdered the murderer can be charged with double homicide if the child in the womb is killed. So the courts are viewing the child as a person, yet they aren't when it comes to abortion.


You can't have it both ways Vexcalibur, it's a classic double standard similar to the South, Slavery, and the 3/5ths rule. The fact your talking head pundits can't understand this, is quite frankly irrelevant.

And referring back to your ridiculous argument:



Actually you and I both know that your statement is complete and utter BS, because if you look at definition 3, it refers to a newborn baby. So you are essentially saying that a newborn is even less of a child than a fetus, you are full of it.

^ [x] Unable to understand the meaning of definition.

Be careful Inu, the Black Helicopters are just close to your house, we have notified them and are about to take you.

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this thread should be locked it's starting to get painfull to watch

If it gets locked, the abortion debate will appear in another thread. Or worse, it could appear in two threads.

Actually, I've noticed you don't have a clue what you are talking about and can't even understand what the numbers in a dictionary mean. When there are numbers given for a word's definition, that means the word has more than one meaning, which either you know this and are not being honest with everyone here, or your teachers didn't explain that fact you in school.


And people wonder why I think most liberals on this site have no credibility whatsoever...

child:

1. Any person between birth and puberty. 2. a. An unborn infant; fetus. b. An infant; a baby. 3. One who is childish or immature. 4. A son or daughter; an offspring. 5. Plural. In Biblican usage members of a tribe; decendents. 6. The figurative offspring of anything; a child of nature. -- with child. Pregnant....

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, editted by William Morris, pg 233
Published by: American Heritage Publishing co., inc. and Houghton Mifflan Company c. 1970


I will at least say LKL has demonstrated some integrity by posting a source, you (Vexcalibur) just run around on your standard smear campaign like a typical brainless leftist partisan.

You seem to not understand your own dictionary or that #1 is the actual definition while the others are probable alternate uses, but it is becoming a tired topic. Under your lousy logic and the poor usage of your dictionary we could tell that when the bible said "child of Benjamin (or whatever Israeli trive) " it meant literally that they were Benjamin's children. Hah.

It is not like it really matters that much anyway. Besides of dictionaries obviously knowing the difference between fetus and child. The differences are... offensively obvious to just about anyone but Inuyasha. So, this discussion is meaningless. It is clear that you won't be able to understand that fetus and child are different concepts even while holding a dictionary in your hands that says exactly that. And when faced with a dictionary that does not include the alternative coloquial usage, you claim it is a mass conspiracy to remove truth from dictionaries.



Although discussing dictionaries is amazingly effective at making you look like a doofus, I am getting tired of it and it is getting a little off-topic.

Thing is that regardless of what you may like the world to be:
- Embryo/Fetus less than 10 weeks is clearly not a human being as it lacks a functioning brain. We have established that clearly it is impossible for the brain to have human cognition until the 26-th week. And it could possibly be much, much later that it develops to human state. And the moment in which it begins to get used is later than that. What we can tell is that 10 weeks give quite a solid margin of safety so, clearly abortion should stay legal until the 10-ish weeks.

- Even you, the most radical anti-abortion forum freak in the world cannot really do much to show that there is anything human-like until the 48-th day. So, even by your standards abortion should be legal the first month. Great!

- Beyond the human or not discussion. The human rights discussion is still there. We are after-all talking about a person's body and about whether the government should mandate what to do about it. Human rights tell me that nothing, not even true people have the right to force others to give their bodies to it. So, the right to the woman's own body triumph any possible right of a fetus in a pre-human state.

- Eugenics have been used as an attempt to derail the discussion but they failed. If the concern was really about eugenics and not about abortion you would be focusing on eugenics and asking for eugenics to be illegal. There's no reason why making abortion legal should forcefully mean eugenics are legal.

- The worst of this all is that we all actually have the same wish. We would all like there to be less abortions. Unfortunately, we already know that making abortions illegal does not stop them. What we need is to improve sex ed and access to contraception. It does not help that "pro-life" people tend to be the first ones to complain when free condoms are given away to teens. But such is life. Want less abortions? Reduce unwanted pregnancies. Want to reduce unwanted pregnancies? Increase education and contraception. Reality is that no woman looks forward to having abortions, so all you need is a little education and they will make sure to do everything they could to avoid. Unless in the case of rape, but we should keep abortion legal so that women can have a escape in those exceptions.

- Religion? Even the bible seems to consider fetuses as property. The bible also defines that you are not truly alive until your first breath. To sum up, the bible is a very poor resource in this case.

It is because of these reasons, that I cannot expect any rational person to hold the belief that making abortion illegal will do any good to society or is actually desirable. Just about every trail of thought leads me to the same conclusion.

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For the record: Doctors and other medical personnel are leftist progressives, according to Inuyasha.
Good company to be in


We all know that 'fetal homicide' laws are just a back door by the abortion lobby to get fetal personhood introduced into a state. The laws were perfectly adequate when they regarded fetal demise as an agravating condition of an assault against the mother.
edited for quote tags.

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Actually, what people wonder is why you think that you have any credibility whatsoever, especially in anything that touches on science or medicine.

I'm only against science when ethics are not followed which in the case of abortion, ethics have been thrown out the proverbial airlock.



You do realize pro-life doctors whom refuse to perform abortions would actually disagree with the definition you gave and would instead go with the one that I supplied. Furthermore, I don't consider abortionists to be doctors because they have violated the 1st rule of being a doctor.

and it blew over him that we were talking of his understanding and not his opinion of science

No, I noticed your attempt to claim that I somehow don't understand things, I was just going to let it slide, but since you followed up, you have demonstrated why many on the right think people on the left are a bunch of arrogant idiots that have their heads up their behinds.

You want to start insulting my intelligence, I would suggest you not dish it out if you can't take it being thrown back in your face.

Don't worry, Honey.

It is impossible to insult your intelligence.

Now you're just being creepy or just plain obnoxious.