Is capitilism dead?
The closest working example of something of an alternative would have to be Argentina's recovered factories. Admittedly quite small-scale and not all-pervasive, but still a real world example.
Prince Obama and his buddies will attempt to hedge the free aspects of our economy with even more regulations than have already been imposed. Even so, the means of production are largely in private hands and most investment decisions are still made independently of government regulation and policy.
The public will make its verdict on G.M. (Government Motors) by buying Japanese made cars and trucks. The one area where the government is going to make serious inroads is in the area of health care and insurance coverage. We will probably end up with Single Payer or some such system as they have in Canada. It probably will not be as bad as the British National Health Service.
ruveyn
Prince Obama and his buddies will attempt to hedge the free aspects of our economy with even more regulations than have already been imposed. Even so, the means of production are largely in private hands and most investment decisions are still made independently of government regulation and policy.
The public will make its verdict on G.M. (Government Motors) by buying Japanese made cars and trucks. The one area where the government is going to make serious inroads is in the area of health care and insurance coverage. We will probably end up with Single Payer or some such system as they have in Canada. It probably will not be as bad as the British National Health Service.
ruveyn
Answer me, ruveyn, why is Obama anti-Capitalist simply because he is bailing out a few banks (as his Bush predecessor did) and his buddy bankers (financial firms contributed generously to Obama’s campaign) and has some very timid social welfare plans? Is Canada, Sweden, Germany, etc. all “non-capitalist” thanks there status as relative social welfare states?
Why do you choose timid social programs as the one measure that a politician is anti-Capitalist? After all, for decades high tech industry (through military R&D) has been extensively funded by the government, a system of subsidize risk and privatized profit. Why is a social welfare state any more antagonistic to Capitalism then America’s present corporate welfare state?
And, anyway, I doubt single-payer will result. Obama and members of congress examining the task are almost uniformly agreed that if there will be any state intervention in healthcare it'll come in two-tier form.
It is not a question of not having regulation, but who and what are regulated. Forget idealism.
Right now the large corporations are the whores of the economy. They are the Welfare Queens. It is small and medium size business that keeps the whole thing going. There is a revolving door between government and corporations. When the Regulators leave their cushy government jobs that get equally cushy jobs in the companies they used to regulate. It is a very oh so cozy relationship.
And this is not just the work of one or two administrations. This goes all the way back to the time of Woodrow Wilson.
ruveyn
Really - what could indicate that capitalism is moribond?
Two things:
1) Assuming financial policy has shifted to a global authority, a group comes in with extreme naivete and completely deregulates the global marketplace. Chaos and lawlessness on a grand scale assures and, if civilization survives, people associate capitalism with the recklessness of it's last variety with capitalism in general, hence repelling them from the notion. Some alternative is realized.
2) A large scale social experiment in an economic alternative. If successful and well publicized, it could generate a shift.
Neither of these situations seem the least bit likely, though.
Capitalism depends on the rule of law. When that rule of law is no longer respected or followed then capitalism is threatened. Our president seems to be ignoring some of these laws. But, in the arena of personal property these laws have been eroded over time by examples of the Govt. winning court cases to seize private property for an ongoing list of reasons.
Large corporations that stop becoming competitive in the market seem to lurch towards federal protection for some reason. And, it is not just corporations, but non-profits and non corporate entities that get plenty of government employees cashing in on their cushy job, to be then appointed on the board of one of these entities. Why, because the role which lobbying plays out in DC is underestimated by many. Obama pledged to not appoint lobbyists but has gone against that pledge.
If the US govt. regulated the free market LESS would there be such a perceived need for as many lobbyists now? Is the number of lobbyists a function of the amount of regulations being enforced? If so, then UNREGULATED Capitalism is kinda of a funny term to me.
And, yes, I believe Obama is anti-capitalist. I think his statements over the course of being an Illinois Senator are proof enough. But, then maybe look at his voting record as a state senator or even his brief stint as a US senator where he barely showed up to vote. And, if that is not enough to convince you that there might be some anti-capitalism angst going on here, maybe look at the results after 6 months and who his supporters are.
Capitalism won't die because most everything else sounds great on paper but not so great to implement. Socialism could work but honesty works better.
And this is not just the work of one or two administrations. This goes all the way back to the time of Woodrow Wilson.
ruveyn
I can agree with you on this , it is basically what real fascism is big business close to government. I forgot to mention patents last time. What is you view on the current patent system and ever-greening, etc.
I don't think real innovators benefit from it really, so it could hardly be called 'intellectual property'. I also don't see the point of letting it go on for so long. maybe there is a valid argument over ideas being fragile, but beyond a couple of years how is it positive for innovation and competition?
Basically if you are trying to go it alone, or using several smaller venture capitalists, expect those venture cabalist to claim bankruptcy, and being unable to use you own idea. That is what happened with some university lecturers I knew who came up with a lithographic method of printing circuit boards.
Otherwise you could sell your soul to one of these inefficient corporations. However don’t assume they will take your idea to market:
http://www.ipfrontline.com/depts/articl ... 5&deptid=2
Large corporations that stop becoming competitive in the market seem to lurch towards federal protection for some reason. And, it is not just corporations, but non-profits and non corporate entities that get plenty of government employees cashing in on their cushy job, to be then appointed on the board of one of these entities. Why, because the role which lobbying plays out in DC is underestimated by many. Obama pledged to not appoint lobbyists but has gone against that pledge.
If the US govt. regulated the free market LESS would there be such a perceived need for as many lobbyists now? Is the number of lobbyists a function of the amount of regulations being enforced? If so, then UNREGULATED Capitalism is kinda of a funny term to me.
And, yes, I believe Obama is anti-capitalist. I think his statements over the course of being an Illinois Senator are proof enough. But, then maybe look at his voting record as a state senator or even his brief stint as a US senator where he barely showed up to vote. And, if that is not enough to convince you that there might be some anti-capitalism angst going on here, maybe look at the results after 6 months and who his supporters are.
Capitalism won't die because most everything else sounds great on paper but not so great to implement. Socialism could work but honesty works better.
Obama is undeniably a state capitalist (not a free market capitalist, but there's never been one leading in the industrialized world). He's following the same, almost Clintonian, centrist Democrat stance as his predecessors. The only difference, due to the times, is that he's injecting capital into failing firms to keep them afloat while they decision making remains privatized. This is a pretty common trend in the history of American State Capitalism and is, by no means, an abnormality.
The Obama-Geithner plans didn't differ that much from the Bush-Paulson plan. He's simply doing what comes naturally to any mainstream politician at a time when the economy is in crisis.
Large corporations that stop becoming competitive in the market seem to lurch towards federal protection for some reason. And, it is not just corporations, but non-profits and non corporate entities that get plenty of government employees cashing in on their cushy job, to be then appointed on the board of one of these entities. Why, because the role which lobbying plays out in DC is underestimated by many. Obama pledged to not appoint lobbyists but has gone against that pledge.
If the US govt. regulated the free market LESS would there be such a perceived need for as many lobbyists now? Is the number of lobbyists a function of the amount of regulations being enforced? If so, then UNREGULATED Capitalism is kinda of a funny term to me.
And, yes, I believe Obama is anti-capitalist. I think his statements over the course of being an Illinois Senator are proof enough. But, then maybe look at his voting record as a state senator or even his brief stint as a US senator where he barely showed up to vote. And, if that is not enough to convince you that there might be some anti-capitalism angst going on here, maybe look at the results after 6 months and who his supporters are.
Capitalism won't die because most everything else sounds great on paper but not so great to implement. Socialism could work but honesty works better.
Obama is undeniably a state capitalist (not a free market capitalist, but there's never been one leading in the industrialized world). He's following the same, almost Clintonian, centrist Democrat stance as his predecessors. The only difference, due to the times, is that he's injecting capital into failing firms to keep them afloat while they decision making remains privatized. This is a pretty common trend in the history of American State Capitalism and is, by no means, an abnormality.
The Obama-Geithner plans didn't differ that much from the Bush-Paulson plan. He's simply doing what comes naturally to any mainstream politician at a time when the economy is in crisis.
"State Capitalist", is kind of an oxymoron to me. He is a statist and to achieve his goals he must be anti-capitalist. "spreading the wealth around" is not supporting capitalistic principles but supporting a grander socialist agenda. We can disagree all day.
So, regulating capitalism is the solution, right? But, not regulating the bailout money so that this presidency can use money set aside for something else for his pet projects while ignoring the polices and laws governing the TARP fund? It's good to be the king. And, without good oversight the US taxpayers just gave away much of their hard earned money to politicians and their lobbying groups, to throw at problems, line their pockets, reap the rewards and then dog-cuss the tax payer. There will be so much "ill use" of taxpayer money that it is mind boggling. Who will oversee the overseers?
There doesn't seem to be any solutions out there.The philosopher rawls suggested a veil of ignorance where even the most fortunate had to imagine what would be just if the fates had conspired to put them on the bottom of the heap.The disparity in life expectancy between nations and classes within them seems the most unjust.Capitalism exists because if we have we think we deserve it if we don't we don't.It seems we have a low opinion of ourselves and others and are stuck in a vicious circle of doom.
