Iran's Getting Ugly

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I just hope this doesn't turn out to be another 'Tiananmen Square'.

I vote we should bring back the Persian empire, world would be so much more interesting with it.

No problem. I use both sides of my brain. Maybe that is why I am in the middle. Note, no negative connotations listed in your quote for being a liberal.

I thought it was amusing to me that liberals in this country happen to burn the same flag as do conservatives in Iran. Never seen a US liberal burn the Iranian flag in protest of Iran!

So, it seems, equating the protesters with US liberals or with liberals in general because...of...? So, what happens when the "liberals" gain full control of all houses or departments of government? Do the liberals become conservatives?

The ignorance!

BTW who said the protests have stopped? Overthrowing a brutal regime is not something that can be achieved in mere days, assuming it's not done by a stronger military force of course.

Just to point out a few things: Most people in rural Iran-who btw only make up like less than %30 of the population-aren't actually pro the current regime. Many of them either have no access to the info about what is happening in the larger cities and what the government is doing to our country, or if they do, they cannot protest since everyone knows everyone in such places and they are much easier targets for the government to crack down. the actual estimated number of people that came to the demonstration on Monday through Thursday last week was about 3 million and if permission had been granted by the government, there would have been many more. The only reason the numbers of protesters on the streets have gone down this week is because they're beating and shooting people like crazy and they don't let crowds to form. People are trying to regroup and find other ways to fight against them peacefully. Many are afraid and not ready to die since they have little hope of winning, thanks to knowledge that this regime is willing to kill the last one of us before giving up the power. Most of those that are killing people aren't even actual basijis or Sepah, they're savage thugs that are being paid and fed daily by the government to commit these horrendous crimes!


Quoting Niemöller for some to think about:

They protest non-stop in Mexico and the police are quite brutal there but that has changed very little as far as the PAN-PRI mafia running things there, running the place to the ground to the point that they didn't even have a lab to check out the swine flu, they had to send the samples abroad! It was shut down by one of the post-Lopez Portillo disaster presidencies determined to commit national suicide. Say what you want about the Iranian government, it safeguards national independence, which is more than can be said about the people running Mexico right now.

Did you know that the most praised (internationally) Mexican president is one who, everyone admits, had the election handed to him in 1988 through fraud, through the "computer breakdown"? Yet they praise Salinas to the heavens though he is reviled in Mexico itself. Salinas is the one who opened things up and he is just loved in elite circles, bringing in NAFTA and all of that. It was through fraud that Mexico was irreversibly, it seems, mangled by suicidal policies.

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[quote="M_LibertyGirl"][/quote]
Hi M long time no see, how are you?

Hi thanks, I'm ok. I haven't been on wp much in a long time. I always enjoy your posts though, whenever I do come here.

I've never seen a US liberal burn any flag - flag burning is a relatively rare act in the US.


Most who engage in it are not liberals by the usual definition of the word. It takes a special type of radical, anarchist or an agent provocateur. I suggest that a significant number of flag burnings in the 60s were actually choreographed by the COINTELPRO program to discredit anti-war protesters.




Liberals used to think that people have a legal right to burn cloth rectangles (provided they owned the rectangle), but most of today's liberals oppose flag burning as a form of environmental pollution that is equivalent to driving hundreds of miles in a gas guzzler.

BS!! !! !! !! !

Nothing like a pointless tangent.

Good one

I love how such thinly veiled xenophobia is so acceptable in the US.

If "realist" is newspeak in US Foreign Policy Discussions (as it seems it is) for "nationally egotistic, cruel, xenophobic, and callous" you're right.



Define "anti-American" as there seems to be three definitions.

1) Somebody with a strong distaste for American People. In this sense, there's a lot of anti-american sentiment in Canada (steming back, ironically, to British elite and loyalist opinion from the War of 1812). Americans are generalized as obnoxious, provinicial, and ignorant. I hear similar sentiment exists in Europe. This, I think, is an approperiate use for "anti-American".
2) An Orwellian label for anyone critical of US Foreign Policy or Political Culture. In this sense, the word's a shameless piece of propoganda and vile to through at opponents, quite in line with "anti-Soviet". Are people critical of their country anti-nation? And, the logically leap, would be to say all Republicans are now anti-American (heck, Rick Perry even affirms secession as an option for Texas). Needless to say, this is pure propoganda and ultranationalism.
3) Anyone against the far-right, ultraconservative ideologues. In this way, even most of the dominant Political Culture can be "anti-American" (making definition #1 and #2 utterly contradictory).




What a load of cheap, dirty, shameless, amoral political propoganda. It doesn't deserve any intellectual response aside from sheer indignation.

"iran" is an anagram of "nair" (which is a hair removal product).
iranians are hairy i believe.

maybe they will self destruct when their "order" is disrupted to an "anagrammatic" degree.

no one will get what i said, and if they do, they will see it is lame and immature.

It is easy, sport. Just visit the hole in the ground where the WTC used to be.

Allah hu'akbar!

ruveyn

Thanks for clarifying.

I never would have guessed why there is such popular and governmental anti-Saudi sentiment in the US, nor why there are so many vociferous calls to restrict internal migration from Arizona. Thanks for the clarity, not that such overarching regional prejudices would be ethically justified, just that you helped explain them much more clearly to me.