70th anniversary of World War Two

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01 Sep 2009, 4:20 am

70 years ago today, German forces invaded Poland. With England and France fulfilling their guarantees three days later, most of Western Europe was at war. With Hitler’s imperialistic aims finally manifested, Japan, Russia, America and Eastern Europe could now firmly align their policy with actual events. Of course, some could argue WW2 started with 1937 Japanese invasion of China or 1941 with German invasion of Russia.

Modern (European/Western) society has followed a fairly standard course for somewhere between 150 and 200 years, the structure was emplaced then and there has been remarkably similar cultural manifestations. The major blip upon this is 1930’s Totalitarianism, best evocated by World War 2. How do you think this event reflects upon us, upon how history did eventually develop and how it could have?

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01 Sep 2009, 4:34 am

oppositedirection wrote:

Although there are still vestiges of totalitarian conduct in countries like North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, Israel and to a very small degree at the moment in the USA, the major levers of control always have been and still persist in economic and informational and financial manipulation and these more subtle methods of control still persist and are more popular and useful amongst the elites in power. Violence is still with us around the world but less so as a force of the agenda of ideology except in religious fundamentalism which does not dominate to any large extent.

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01 Sep 2009, 6:54 am

OK, World War III has about until midnight to start.

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01 Sep 2009, 7:34 am

oppositedirection wrote:

The outbreak of war in Europe in 1939 was not at that time a World War. It was a European war.

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01 Sep 2009, 7:40 am

ruveyn wrote:

oppositedirection wrote:

The outbreak of war in Europe in 1939 was not at that time a World War. It was a European war.

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So I guess World War II started on September 3, when Australia joined in? Not to mention that there had been war in Asia since 1937.

I think World War II would start then any two of the three great powers (Allied, Axis or Comintern) are in direct conflict with each other.

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01 Sep 2009, 9:33 am

oppositedirection wrote:

And the Soviets invaded and occupied the east of Poland a few weeks later. They systematically tortured and killed tens of thousands of Poles. That rarely gets mentioned.

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01 Sep 2009, 11:38 am

^ Ah yes, i saw that in the news, they're still waiting for Russia to apologize for that (Yeah... Fat chance that'll happen :roll: ) ...

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01 Sep 2009, 1:07 pm

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And the Soviets invaded and occupied the east of Poland a few weeks later. They systematically tortured and killed tens of thousands of Poles. That rarely gets mentioned.

The Katyn Forest massacre committed by Stalin's thugs is in the same league as the Babi Yar massacre committed by the Nazis. Poland was done badly by both the Nazis and the Soviets.

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01 Sep 2009, 1:58 pm

Anniversarus horribilis topic

Canada declared war on Germany and the axis powers September 10, 1939.

What followed was almost six long years of genocide, massacres and battle casualties.

This war should have taught us that there are other ways to solve conflict, but we are slow to learn. :evil:

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01 Sep 2009, 4:03 pm

It could also be said that it became a "world war" when America joined in as a result of Pearl Harbor.

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01 Sep 2009, 4:56 pm

offtopic - Putin is staying in my hometown today for the celebrations of WW2 anniv. and I know which hotel he's staying in... do you guys think I should do anything about that? :twisted:

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01 Sep 2009, 5:27 pm

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offtopic - Putin is staying in my hometown today for the celebrations of WW2 anniv. and I know which hotel he's staying in... do you guys think I should do anything about that? :twisted:

Ask him why the Russians keep killing off journalists and aid workers.

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01 Sep 2009, 5:31 pm

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anna-banana wrote:

offtopic - Putin is staying in my hometown today for the celebrations of WW2 anniv. and I know which hotel he's staying in... do you guys think I should do anything about that? :twisted:

Ask him why the Russians keep killing off journalists and aid workers.

hmm I was thinking more like throwing rotten eggs in his hotel room window and shouting "you suck!" :p

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01 Sep 2009, 6:16 pm

anna-banana wrote:

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:

anna-banana wrote:

offtopic - Putin is staying in my hometown today for the celebrations of WW2 anniv. and I know which hotel he's staying in... do you guys think I should do anything about that? :twisted:

Ask him why the Russians keep killing off journalists and aid workers.

hmm I was thinking more like throwing rotten eggs in his hotel room window and shouting "you suck!" :p

Careful anna I'm not sure you want to mess with Pres Putin.

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01 Sep 2009, 8:29 pm

The biggest irony of the whole thing is that Hitler/Himmler's actions ended up empowering the nation of Israel farther than he could have ever imagined. He would have done better to simply just work through diplomacy.

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01 Sep 2009, 9:20 pm

Amusing, he has tan lines on his throat? <.< Quick, call the russian newspapers! XD

Other than that, well Anna if you want to be manipulative, you could always trick him into giving you an illegitimate child.

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