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LePetitPrince
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23 Aug 2009, 10:22 am

WP is so anti-cure in general , it preaches a lot about the '"superiority" of those with AS and it often pictures those scientists/parents who are seeking for a cure against Autism and AS as "evil NTs" conspiring against the "autistic-kind" (vs mankind).

I am a cure supporter , whether chemically or genetically (genetic manipulation), I feel that AS/Autism/ADHD does no good for one's life and he/she would do better without such condition. I feel that AS/Autism/ADHD doesn't determine the personality of a person but it's rather an obstacle. An ADHD person won't change in term of personality if he/she's cured , he/she'll just do better in life.

If you are a cure supporter then add your username here. If you're not then please just leave and try to declare a jihad against this thread , there are millions of anti-cure threads out there.



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23 Aug 2009, 10:49 am

Wow- that was just as nasty as those neurodiversity nazi's who preach on about how muchly much more superior they are to everyone else.

Sorry, but you're not making anything any better by contributing to the idea that there is somekind of warfare going on between the cure and anti-cure people. Isn't it about time that we stopped all this "I'm the good guy and you're the bad guy" BS? It's very, very childish.

I do agree that the pro-cure and anti-cure people should get along better, but this place isn't the "nazi paradise" you think it is.

Grow up.



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23 Aug 2009, 11:38 am

^^ there's no nazi call in my thread, it's not a war against pro-cure or anything.

Learn to read properly and grow up.



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23 Aug 2009, 12:11 pm

JIHAD JIHAD!! !

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23 Aug 2009, 1:22 pm

Well I am not procure, but I do not go for war against the curbies.

I have no desire to mistreat curbies, I have no wish to harm them physically nor do I wish to embarrass them, ridicule them or mock them for the being pro-cure.

But however I do reserve the right to point out any shortcomings in their ideas or thought processes which I uncover. I also do view it as my moral and patriotic duty as a citizen of the wrong planet to publicly denounce any morally questionable "cure".


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23 Aug 2009, 1:38 pm

I would welcome such things as training seminars or courses in how to communicate through body language or Conversational Small Talk 101.

Am not in favor of pill-popping or genetic manipulation as an automatic one-size-fits-all solution.


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23 Aug 2009, 1:57 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
WP is so anti-cure in general , it preaches a lot about the '"superiority" of those with AS and it often pictures those scientists/parents who are seeking for a cure against Autism and AS as "evil NTs" conspiring against the "autistic-kind" (vs mankind).

I am a cure supporter , whether chemically or genetically (genetic manipulation), I feel that AS/Autism/ADHD does no good for one's life and he/she would do better without such condition. I feel that AS/Autism/ADHD doesn't determine the personality of a person but it's rather an obstacle. An ADHD person won't change in term of personality if he/she's cured , he/she'll just do better in life.

If you are a cure supporter then add your username here. If you're not then please just leave and try to declare a jihad against this thread , there are millions of anti-cure threads out there.


WP does not speak with one voice. WP does not have a 'point of view'. WP is a group of people with the same neurological condition that log on and post their opinion, much like you are doing about your topic . WP no more speaks with your voice than any others. This thread is moved to PP&R.

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23 Aug 2009, 2:57 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
^^ there's no nazi call in my thread, it's not a war against pro-cure or anything.

Learn to read properly and grow up.


Oh- I'm sorry. You only compared us to terrorists!

My mistake!



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23 Aug 2009, 4:16 pm

MindBlind wrote:
Wow- that was just as nasty as those neurodiversity nazi's who preach on about how muchly much more superior they are to everyone else.

Sorry, but you're not making anything any better by contributing to the idea that there is somekind of warfare going on between the cure and anti-cure people. Isn't it about time that we stopped all this "I'm the good guy and you're the bad guy" BS? It's very, very childish.

I do agree that the pro-cure and anti-cure people should get along better, but this place isn't the "nazi paradise" you think it is.

Grow up.


wow that was the quickest nazi mention is the history of PPR threads :lol:


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23 Aug 2009, 4:26 pm

anna-banana wrote:
MindBlind wrote:
Wow- that was just as nasty as those neurodiversity nazi's who preach on about how muchly much more superior they are to everyone else.

Sorry, but you're not making anything any better by contributing to the idea that there is somekind of warfare going on between the cure and anti-cure people. Isn't it about time that we stopped all this "I'm the good guy and you're the bad guy" BS? It's very, very childish.

I do agree that the pro-cure and anti-cure people should get along better, but this place isn't the "nazi paradise" you think it is.

Grow up.


wow that was the quickest nazi mention is the history of PPR threads :lol:


and it wasn't even in the PPR when it was written, and was the main reason I put it in PPR in the first place!

for others that want in on the joke: Godwin's Law


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23 Aug 2009, 9:14 pm

There are people who are obviously suffering from their personality differences and others, like myself, who have integrated their differences in a way that lets them operate successfully and prefer to remain as they are. Generalization doesn't help.



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23 Aug 2009, 10:09 pm

Yeah I want a cure I want a cure for everything right now only b/c people expect to be one thing after another. So I have no answere to why I am the way I am.

Gets unbearable sometimes when I hear people b***h at me for not being what is ideal to them. Some self improvement or changes yes...but there's a lot of things I can't change about myself...wish I could.

If I could show you every pill, drug and liquid I took to try and change my personality and the way I feel or think.

I've come to a breaking point and it's hit me hard. But you can't please people not even people who look or act as if they would know better...


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23 Aug 2009, 10:33 pm

What I'd be for is something like a powerful nootropic that could just accelerate our functioning past it - ie. be us, just have enough capacity to go around neurologically which would lend itself for us to function on NT level. Some of us have really gone all out and for the most part gotten there, some don't have the capacity.

I don't think that gaining such a capacity means necessarily needing to take a blunt wrench or crowbar to the structures that make you 'you' and bending, breaking, gutting yourself to turn you into a GQ or a Cosmo-ite, it seems like its the anti-cure proponent's worst nightmare but its as if they look at that as not only the only possibility of what a technical 'cure' could be, but they seem to think it would be the most practical or viable. On the other hand a 'patch' or enabler would be far more viable as it wouldn't wreak havoc on someone's mental health, their sense of self, that sort of turmoil takes all their knowledge of self, throws it up in the air to where someone who's in their thirties and would receive a chemical - might as well be a kid again on so many levels as they'd have to completely relearn themselves. Why bother, its a huge loss, it would likely make someone far less productive, whereas a nootropic patch would just make them a more alpha and functional version of who they already are - just adding to skill sets.

When we look at the term NT, NT's come in all types - just like you have people who's social cortexes dominate everything and all other actions spread from socializing at the center, notice how many NT's while acknowledging the other type are very real people, even many of the socialites have that in them, I'm just suggesting that someone with an aspie brain structure and thought pattern who had more flexibility to exercise and follow through on social skills, had the neural ability to choose to polish and even extend their emotions more into these skills - might as well be both simultaneously their best AS self as well as an NT version of themselves. NT reality isn't something so far separate from us that we'd be completely gone, that's what I don't think a lot of people understand. If anything its a lack of emathy circutry that seems to blind us against reality by the very nature of what that shortage is, how it works, and how it folds back on itself in a self-sustaining feedback loop, a feedback loop that has some autistics, thankfully fewer and fewer these days but some, thinking that autists/aspies are superior somehow to NT's, which quite frankly is something that NT's just sadly shake their head on knowing that there's nothing they can say to elucidate the situation to someone who thinks like that - its like talking to a wall.



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23 Aug 2009, 10:43 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
WP is a group of people with the same neurological condition that log on and post their opinion, much like you are doing about your topic . WP no more speaks with your voice than any others. This thread is moved to PP&R.

True, however I can say that WP does indeed have an official point of view on the matter, WP seems to be anti-cure, I mean, official posts from WP's frontpage clearly had shown Alex's positions against Autism Speaks at least, so it seems that Alex, therefore WP, has a stand against the idea of a cure and prevention of autism, the issue from the OP still is an issue of anti-cure vs pro-cure, putting this thread in the PPR may have been a good idea, as the issue could be critically vewied more easily here than somewhere else in the forum, although I may be wrong, in any case, I doubt this could go on given the sensitive nature of the discussion?


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23 Aug 2009, 10:47 pm

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Yeah I want a cure I want a cure for everything right now only b/c people expect to be one thing after another. So I have no answere to why I am the way I am.

Gets unbearable sometimes when I hear people b***h at me for not being what is ideal to them. Some self improvement or changes yes...but there's a lot of things I can't change about myself...wish I could.

If I could show you every pill, drug and liquid I took to try and change my personality and the way I feel or think.

I've come to a breaking point and it's hit me hard. But you really can please people not even people who act smart or you would think know better.


I'm not particularly interested in becoming what people expect. As long as I can get by economically I find the world immediately around me interesting enough so that what other people do has small interest for me. People mostly are interested in banalities and really interesting people are rare and far between. There's lots to explore without people.



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23 Aug 2009, 10:50 pm

"I'm not particularly interested in becoming what people expect."

^ This.

And Miss C, why is your title "Goodbye."? Are you leaving us? =(