Fox news has no legal requirement to tell the truth

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26 Aug 2009, 1:40 pm

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Not sure how much this is true or not...but if no news vendor has a legal requirement to their audience then doesn't that just turn our news into worthless chatter that we can never really verify as being real or not because there's no accountability held to anyone?

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, successfully argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves. We are pushing for a consumer protection solution that labels news content according to its adherence to ethical journalism standards that have been codified by the Society of Professional Journalists (Ethics: spj.org).
A News Quality Rating System and Content Labeling approach, follows a tradition of consumer protection product labeling, that is very familiar to Americans. The ratings are anti-censorship and can benefit consumers."


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26 Aug 2009, 2:13 pm

Not a new item. That's a 2000 case.

It's why I laugh when the media says we can "trust" them while they spew nonsense I know isn't anything close to the truth.

So long as people believe the mainstream press is credible, there will be no truth.

Ironically, the mainstream press criticizes the "alternative press" for the very same reasons, but they won't fess up to their own misconduct.



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26 Aug 2009, 5:07 pm

It is certainly a sorry state that we are in. I don't think this sort of thing is new either. There's been corruption of the press since it began. I do think that Fox has really taken it to a whole new level though.



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26 Aug 2009, 6:12 pm

As lousy as it is for the media to be able to legally lie, it seems like the only alternative would be to allow some external agency to have oversight. Point being that the agency could corrupted. (Seems like that's happened National Public Radio.)

And even if the agency is the courts, it'll always be Murdoch's-corporate-lawyer-army vs. 5 swfit-boat-vets and some grass-roots organization with a $10,000 budget.

I think the next/current big thing is net neutrality. If that goes away we're done.


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26 Aug 2009, 6:36 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
As lousy as it is for the media to be able to legally lie, it seems like the only alternative would be to allow some external agency to have oversight. Point being that the agency could corrupted. (Seems like that's happened National Public Radio.)

And even if the agency is the courts, it'll always be Murdoch's-corporate-lawyer-army vs. 5 swfit-boat-vets and some grass-roots organization with a $10,000 budget.

I think the next/current big thing is net neutrality. If that goes away we're done.



So either we have a government agency that's up for review and it's up to the people to maintain it or simply just let the news outlets say whatever they feel and whatever their advertisers wish they say?


And I agree net-neutrality is a big one...if the companies are allowed to cordon off the internet however they choose, then all information will be completely controlled and we're done for.


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26 Aug 2009, 6:59 pm

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So either we have a government agency that's up for review and it's up to the people to maintain it or simply just let the news outlets say whatever they feel and whatever their advertisers wish they say?

My concern is that the agency would end up like the FDA -- more or less bought & controlled by the pharma lobby, even if it is supposedly answerable to the public. (Admittedly, I haven't looked into exactly how the Phrma has accomplished that, though)

I guess the underlying issue is that the corporate encroachment has got to stop, since it's literally undermining faith in govt institutions at this point.

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26 Aug 2009, 7:13 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
So either we have a government agency that's up for review and it's up to the people to maintain it or simply just let the news outlets say whatever they feel and whatever their advertisers wish they say?

My concern is that the agency would end up like the FDA -- more or less bought & controlled by the pharma lobby, even if it is supposedly answerable to the public. (Admittedly, I haven't looked into exactly how the Phrma has accomplished that, though)

I guess the underlying issue is that the corporate encroachment has got to stop, since it's literally undermining faith in govt institutions at this point.

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Yeah but the difference is that there's already a governing body at work with regards to news television: the FCC.

If the FCC can nail someone for saying "f**k" then they should also be available to nail someone for, say, repeatedly stating over and over again that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11.


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26 Aug 2009, 7:14 pm

skafather84 wrote:
http://www.ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html


Not sure how much this is true or not...but if no news vendor has a legal requirement to their audience then doesn't that just turn our news into worthless chatter that we can never really verify as being real or not because there's no accountability held to anyone?



That is correct. They never asserted under legal oath or representation that what they broadcast is true. When it comes to "news", let the buyer or listener beware.

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26 Aug 2009, 7:22 pm

Faux News is only good at one thing, lulling Midwestern Christian Conservatives into a false sense of security while over-sensationalizing things they read on Twitter.



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26 Aug 2009, 7:26 pm

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Faux News is only good at one thing, lulling Midwestern Christian Conservatives into a false sense of security while over-sensationalizing things they read on Twitter.


Whatever. People will believe what they wish to believe. All the news that fits etc. etc..


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26 Aug 2009, 7:46 pm

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Faux News is only good at one thing, lulling Midwestern Christian Conservatives into a false sense of security while over-sensationalizing things they read on Twitter.


lulling?


faux news has been sounding more and more like alex jones every day on the level of paranoia and socialist paranoia.


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26 Aug 2009, 8:43 pm

If the right wing bloggers had the power to shut down the phony National Guard documents on George W. Bush, why couldn't left wing bloggers do the same on things that are wildly factually errant on Fox? My guess, especially with Moveon.org - they would be already if they had the artillery.



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26 Aug 2009, 9:16 pm

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If the right wing bloggers had the power to shut down the phony National Guard documents on George W. Bush, why couldn't left wing bloggers do the same on things that are wildly factually errant on Fox?


Because it's all a giant Punch and Judy show?


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26 Aug 2009, 9:18 pm

skafather84 wrote:
normally_impaired wrote:
Faux News is only good at one thing, lulling Midwestern Christian Conservatives into a false sense of security while over-sensationalizing things they read on Twitter.


lulling?


faux news has been sounding more and more like alex jones every day on the level of paranoia and socialist paranoia.


You know, like to "lull" someone to sleep, as in singing a lullaby.



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26 Aug 2009, 9:21 pm

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Because it's all a giant Punch and Judy show?

So the going assumption is that people are really *that* stupid?



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26 Aug 2009, 9:22 pm

normally_impaired wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
normally_impaired wrote:
Faux News is only good at one thing, lulling Midwestern Christian Conservatives into a false sense of security while over-sensationalizing things they read on Twitter.


lulling?


faux news has been sounding more and more like alex jones every day on the level of paranoia and socialist paranoia.


You know, like to "lull" someone to sleep, as in singing a lullaby.


You haven't been paying attention lately. Faux news is stirring up so much paranoia and fears that it's actually difficult to buy bullets in some areas due to such a high demand. Not to mention fully-armed protesters attending town hall meetings to protest the healthcare reform (which fox news is also lying about).

I wouldn't call that lulling.


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